Posted on 09/23/2010 5:24:36 AM PDT by marktwain
They weren’t driving. Driving is a privilege. No relevance whatsoever.
Ah Uber-Liberal Madison. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy (except for Ann Arbor MI)
We must be cautious.
See post #12 below yours, please.
That’s like saying every black person is a welfare scammer. Well he’s carrying a gun he must be a felon. BS. Just ninny libs in Madison.
please note, from the post your referenced —
“Chief Noble Wray admitted police erred in issuing citations for obstructing officers to the two men who refused to identify themselves to officers sent to the restaurant “
NOT a ‘crime’ afterall, eh?
;-)
I don’t *know* who’s right here as far as the law goes, but I’d sure like to BE CERTAIN of the answer. *IF* you are just living your life, must you provide ID when demanded by a LEO? ... I just wanna know ...
This could land the man with a felony charge. Many states are making recording of a cop in the line of duty a crime, whether done on purpose or inadvertently (a guy with a helmet cam who forgot it was rolling recently got jail time). They claim it impededs their ability to interview witnesses who normally don't want to get involved (i.e. illegals and drug users). First and second amendments be damned.
Carrying is NOT “probable cause”!
Anybody at any time “could be a felon”, or in the country illegally....
How could the operator know if they were carrying legally? They could have been felons, that’s why the ID check
Have you ever heard of presumption of innocence? We don't have to prove we're obeying the law. They have to prove we're not. There was no probable cause here.
No, but as someone mentioned earlier, they were investigating.
Where did you ever get the idea that I think it’s wrong to openly carry? You might want to go back and follow the thread and what I was responding to rather than going off half cocked. (Yeah, that was intended.) I’m not your enemy or even your opponent.
Amen!
By way of analogy —
“I pulled 26 year-old Mr and Mrs. Demtricus and La Shonda Greene over because they were observably black (African-American) in a Mercedes S500 in a nice neighborhood, and I needed to ascertain they had not stolen the car or were otherwise engaged, or intended to engage in felonious actions. They were initially indignant and refused to provide ID, so I arrested them for DTP and had their car impounded. I was unaware Mr. Greene had recently signed with the Green Bay Packers.”
The specifics differ, but the principle(s) is the same.
Not everyone gets a call to be investigated. What should the police have done? They couldn’t just walk in, look and walk out could they? They asked for ID, which I feel is OK and should be complied with. After that, it went wrong.
OK. Fine. But you wrote “It’s called having a chip on your shoulder and asking for a fight.”
I inferred you meant the open carry gentlemen were looking for a fight, simply by openly carrying. Ipso facto you saw their actions as ‘wrong.’
Just askin’ ... WHEN therefore is it right and OK to openly carry?
And besides, my Sig is double action, and it doesn’t do half-cocked ;-)
Have you ever heard of presumption of innocence? We don’t have to prove we’re obeying the law. They have to prove we’re not. There was no probable cause here.
No, the police cannot ask for ID unless they have a reason, which they clearly had in this case.
Not liking it, doesn’t change it or make it go away.
The police have to respond to calls and investigate them, even if they turn out to be from a nut. There’s nothing the police can do about that.
But the further developments in the case make this discussion moot, so you have a nice day.
Sounds like the cops admitted they didn’t have any real probable cause. They can’t just ask for ID without it...
Law abiding citizens having a nice dinner is clear probable cause?
You are either mistaken or joking.
They clearly had cause to ask for ID’s as they were investigating a 911 call, but again, the further developments make the ID discussion moot, so there’s no point in continuing...
No. There wasn't. Or is people exercising their Rights now probable cause?
“what’s the big deal about handing a police officer your driver’s license?”
For one, they were not driving anything but silverware.
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