The enlightened Catholic stance on immigration

www.u.tv ^ | Sept 10 2010 | Guardian News

[GinaLolaB]

Hey if the RCC wants to get into politics then start taxing them on their donations and the money they make on interest just like everyone else if not the STFU!

The Protestants are probably just mad because the RCC wants the immigrant slaves treated with dignity. The AGGI's, as Bush called them, want the illegals here for CHEAP SLAVE LABOR. The ranchers, orchard owners, and DIRTY SLAUGHTER HOUSE OWNERS want them here. The protestants stick some green (under the table cash) in their pockets and release them to reak havoc on the rest of the community financially and criminally while they pocket the profits and live like kings. I don't see the Catholic Church trying to lure people here.

[guitarplayer1953]

GET INTO AMERICAN POLITICS YOU WILL GET TAXES NEED TO CALL THE IRS GOONS IN ON THIS ONE.

[GinaLolaB]

St. Peter Claver - Ministry to Slaves— The capture and transport of Africans to work in the “new world” of the Americas as slaves is a tragic story of exploitation. Yet amidst tragedy, there are opportunities for heroism. One Christian hero in the sordid story of black slavery is St. Peter Claver. Born in Catalonia, Spain, he joined the Jesuits in 1605 in Barcelona, and came to work in the missions in 1610, landing in Cartagena, Colombia, the center of the slave trade in the new world. Appalled at the dehumanization of the whole dirty business of slave trading, he took a new vow in addition to those he made in his religious profession—until his death, he was to be advocate and servant of those sons and daughters of God whom others regarded as little more than advanced animals. He insisted that Black slaves were truly equal in worth and dignity to the Europeans and baptized and instructed over 300,000 of them before he died in 1654. During his lifetime, he was regarded as dangerous by many and even sacrilegious by others, who thought he profaned the sacraments by administering them to beasts. Nevertheless, his memory was honored and he was finally canonized by Pope Leo XIII in 1888. This excerpt from a letter of St. Peter Claver is used in the Roman Office of Readings for his feast day on September 9.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Catholic position on Illegal immigration?

The Catholic Catechism says immigrants have a "duty to obey the laws", as I cited at #9 (Link), and as you can read in context here (Link), Note that Paragraph #2240 stresses the duty to submit to legitimate authority and to pay taxes, and #2241 spells out the duty of immigrants to respect the country they are entering, obey its law, and assist in carrying "civic burdens."

That would be: the Church is against illegal immigration.

Some people have noticed this.

But some have not.

You might reasonably say, "OK, but what's the political policy of the Mexican Catholic Bishops? The US Catholic Bishops? The Catholic Bishops of the EU?"

Well, the US Catholic Bishops (USCCB) as a clerical bureaucracy has been notoriously more responsive to their liberal staffers' agendas than to the teachings of the Church; but then again, my view is that the bishops should go back to spending 100% of their time "bishoping," and the USCCB "as a clerical bureaucracy" should be abolished.

Can I get an Amen?

[NoLibZone]

n 1866 The Holy Office of Pope Pius IX affirmed that, subject to conditions, it was not against divine law for a slave to be sold, bought or exchanged.

“Gaudium es Spes, paras 27, 29 quoted by Maxwell 1975

Pope trumps Catholic.

[CynicalBear]

Do those morons know the difference between legal and illegal? The United States has never, and I doubt will ever, try to stop LEGAL immigration.

When people lie to us, yes even the Church, it brings into doubt their entire thesis. When they start out with a lie, the rest of what they say is immaterial.

[Alex Murphy]

You might reasonably say, "OK, but what's the political policy of the Mexican Catholic Bishops? The US Catholic Bishops? The Catholic Bishops of the EU?"

Bishop trumps Father.

[kitkat]

Thank you, Mrs. Don-o.

I recommend that everyone read Post # 9.

[GinaLolaB]

n 1866 The Holy Office of Pope Pius IX affirmed that, subject to conditions, it was not against divine law for a slave to be sold, bought or exchanged. “Gaudium es Spes, paras 27, 29 quoted by Maxwell 1975 Pope trumps Catholic.

In 1741 Pope Benedict XIV condemned slavery generally. In 1815 Pope Pius VII demanded of the Congress of Vienna the suppression of the slave trade. In the Bull of Canonization of Peter Claver, one of the most illustrious adversaries of slavery, Pope Pius IX branded the "supreme villainy" (summum nefas) of the slave traders. In 1839 Pope Gregory XVI condemned the slave trade in in Supremo Apostolatus and in 1888 Pope Leo XII condemned slavery in In Plurimis .

[Mrs. Don-o]

Coincidence! I was reading this just this morning: "Slavery and the Catholic Church,", a good historic summary.

Key points: there is such a thing as "penal servitude" or "just-title slavery," as recognized also in the U.S. Constitution, where a person can be required to labor as a penalty for a crime of which the person has been duly convicted. This, and arrangements such as "indentured service" where a person has legitimately contracted or sold their labor to another person for a set time period, is not condemned, because they do not involve "ownership" of a person's body and liberty in every sense.

However, there are other systems quite different from this, such as "racial" slavery and "chattel" slavery, in which the human and spiritual status of the person is not acknowledged and the slave is reduced to property: such arrangements are condemned.

Anyway,the article makes this kind of distinction, and I think you may find it useful to the discussion.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Bishop trumps Father."

Well, only if "Father" sits down and shuts up, which he is not obliged to do. The USCCB doesn't have political authority even over individual bishops; nor the authority to reach past bishops and require compliance from priests or laity on political questions.

On setting moral boundaries, yes (for instance, the Commandments) but not in crafting public policy.

I refuse to give to the collection for the USCCB, which I would argue is, in its public policy role, a fund-sucking power-usurping bureaucracy, and I urge my fellow Catholics to do likewise.

[Ransomed]

“How many Evangelical/Protestants are there on the US Supreme Court?”

As many as all the Protestant presidents feel like nominating.

Freegards

[HiJinx]

Ping!

[NoLibZone]

Harriet Miers.

Role of Religion Emerges as Issue

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101201381.html

[RnMomof7]

Amen...

[stevio]

I’m Catholic too but, are they going to pay for all the services that illegals take? Do they protest to the governments that these people are running from? The answer is “no”.

[rogator]

Amen.

[Ransomed]

Conservatives opposition to Miers’ nomination didn’t have anything to do with her religion. And Roberts and Alito had their religion questioned too. Most conservatives were screaming to have Janice Rogers Brown nominated, a Protestant.

It seems to me all the Protestant Presidents can nominate all the Protestant Christians to the court they want to.

Freegards