Posted on 09/02/2010 6:50:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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I think the key here is the phrase...’as we here in the West understand’...they are not from the West, they are from the ME. Why would, or should, someone expect people from different cultures to understand some ideas the same?
‘Islamic moderate’ is just an oxymoron. There never has been one and never will.
Islam, as a faith, is so bankrupt that it can’t compete with other religions unless it holds the threat of death over apostates. If people were free to accept or reject without immediate consequences their numbers would plummet. Therefore moderation was rejected in order to control their people.
But the problem is really with the left's pervasive moral relativism that they espouse. Their belief that a different culture is just as "good" or no worse as ours and that people should be tolerant of their depravities because they are "different".
I liken it to one who would not call an exterminator to rid his house of cockroaches and rats because they believe "All life is sacred". Who accepts the dangers of disease and must wallow in filth so as to tolerate another creature's right to live.
I care not that one culture is different than another, but I refuse to slit my own throat or to bow down to another's sensibilities because their culture demands it. Leave it to the left and they will have our women in burkas to prove how "tolerant" we are.
It is among those few brave books on Islam ...
Read mine book on Islam - it’s a personal explaination of what we all came to understand from our direct involvement in Iraq and what surrounded us on a daily and unrelent scale...of course i would say the ones mentioned cut out or left out what I did not - even my agent has fallen off - and walked away due to FEAR and intimidation...
From Cline’s article:
Below two percent of population, Muslims are MOSTLY well-behaved citizens and cause little apparent trouble for the host society ( this is what we have in the USA and Australia)
At two percent and three percent Muslims begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs (UK, Canada, Greece, Belgium)
From five percent on Muslims exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They push for the introduction of halal (”clean” by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves—along with threats for failure to comply (Switzerland, Philippines). At this point, Muslims work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, or Islamic law. (Netherlands, Philippines).
When Muslims reach 10 percent of the population, they increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris—car burning). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam, Denmark—Mohammed cartoons, murder of Theo van Gogh).
After reaching 20 percent of a population expect hair-trigger rioting, Jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (Indonesia, Ethiopia).
After 40 percent you find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare (Bosnia, Chad).
From 60 percent you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and jizya, the tax placed on [conquered] infidels (Sudan, Albania).
After 80 percent, expect to find state-run ethnic cleansing and genocide (Sudan, Mauritania).
IMO, they may very well be “moderate” Muslims. However there is NO such thing as moderate Islam. And that is the problem. The more devote Muslim can point to various Sura and hadith that support his position. Our supposed moderate Muslim can’t do the same.
As the Muzzies say...’inshallah’.
Keep in mind that Christianity and Judaism are also from the Middle East.
Islam is a religion not just of the ME, but of nomadic Bedouins, who had a different world view than of settled, agricultural Jews and Christians.
Rather than talk about "moderate" Muslims, instead refer to them as "non practicing" Muslims.
Excellent article!!
TWB
I’m just offering a response to the thread. You should quote the whole thing that I wrote, not just the last sentence.
I’m thinking there are far more moderate Muslims then there are devoted ones.
Yes, they have different views and we are in the West.
I was trying to add my own thoughts and it was in no way intended as a critique of your post.
I would imagine that people from other cultures actually do consider theirs to be equal, if not better than ours.
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