Posted on 08/22/2010 11:52:06 AM PDT by LibWhacker
Help God with what? You are ranting incoherently. Abortion is interfering with a child’s right to life.
Murder of a human being is murder regardless of your sophistry. You are definitely wasting your time if you think I’m going to agree with your evil POV.
Your personal definition of murder as only applying to 'already born human beings' belies your real motives.
Sophistic gobbledygook designed to do nothing but sooth a guilty conscience. I doubt that it works very well for that or you wouldn't argue the issue.
No one is condemning the women they are condemning that action. The fact that you falsely make Christians the only target of your accusation reveals how low-grade your intellectual processes are. Either that or it's just plain old bigotry.
I have two questions for you. I have asked them already but you ignored.
1. What do you call a preborn human if not a baby?
2. What do you call the procedure leading up to the abortion (removal of the ‘preborn human’) that causes the ‘preborn human’s’ heart to stop beating?
If your argument holds even an ounce of validity that would work just as well as what you said. You are a veritable font of secular humanist moral relativism. And poorly thought out too.
From what you have written, I have concluded that you believe forcing a woman to carry a ‘preborn human’ to term is the same as slavery. She is forced to give this child life.
What we have here is not her refusing to “give” life to the child by carrying it to term but she is actively ENDING the child’s life.
If she does not want her body to provide life to this child why not just put her into labor? Why does the abortion doctor need to end the ‘preborn human’s’ life before the woman is required to deliver the ‘preborn human’?
Many of these babies would be viable if they hadn’t been ripped apart limb by limb or scalded to death in saline. Sometimes they are born alive even after attempts to end their lives. There are abortion survivors that lived and grew up that now speak out against abortion. Of course now, most of these survivors are left to die alone.
This is your most ridiculous logic yet. Apparently your are not even up to the intellectual challenge of high school biology. Who chooses to initiate the conception? In your thinking it is the party who is conceived. Amazing! You have no grasp whatsoever of cause and effect. None.
Which are you a member of?
And remember, there is no life in the womb, just a mass of flesh and bones that happens to have a meaningless heart beat. Right?
“And remember, there is no life in the womb, just a mass of flesh and bones that happens to have a meaningless heart beat.”
You said it, not me. It’s a free country, believe whatever you want to believe. It’s not what I believe.
Hank
“You have no grasp whatsoever of cause and effect.”
Well, then, just pay me no mind. Have a nice day.
Hank
“From what you have written, I have concluded that you believe forcing a woman to carry a ‘preborn human’ to term is the same as slavery. She is forced to give this child life.”
The question is not abortion. I believe abortion is an abomination, but two wrongs do not make a right.
It is always wrong for person to use force against another person to make them do what they think is right, if that other person is not physical threat to them.
So here is a question for you. Whatever you believe about abortion, exactly what is your concern? It is certainly not the life of the child, is it? Do you believe that an unborn is just dead, if aborted, or that it goes to live in paradise. If you had a choice to live with God or live on earth, which would you pick?
Hank
“It is always wrong for person to use force against another person to make them do what they think is right, if that other person is not physical threat to them.”
You keep saying we cannot force other to do what we think is right. We do have laws against murder, theft, rape etc. Why? Because those things are a threat to others. Abortion is a threat to the unborn child. There SHOULD be laws against it to protect the rights of the child.
My concern is for the life of the child. God gave us life and Christ came to give us life abundantly. I believe that the child will be in heaven but God doesn’t give life so we can snuff it out indiscrimantely. If that is the case, why not just kill everyone off that says they are a Christian so they can go on to paradise?
The ONLY comfort and sanity that comes from abortion is that the child is now in heaven but that is not a reason to allow the abomination to continue. You are justifying the burning alive or the ripping apart of precious little babies by the fact that they are now in a better place. Either abortion is an injustice that we should outlaw or it is not. Pick a side.
“You are justifying ...”
I’m not “justifying” anything. I only asked a question.
Now you didn’t read what I wrote very carefully. Rape, theft, and murder are a physical threats to others, and those others my justly use force to defend themselves against that. That is not forcing people to do what you like, it is preventing them from using force against you. It is defense. Using force against someone who has not threatened you, is offense.
It is always wrong. I’m sorry if people do not like principles, and are willing to compromise them to fit their pet beliefs, but it is still wrong and immoral, and two wrongs still do not make a right.
Hank
Abortion is a threat to the child that cannot defend themselves. THAT is the entire point. Just because abortion doesn’t hurt YOU doesn’t mean there is no victim. Would you defend a small child that was being beaten to death? The perpetrator isn’t hurting you.
You have offered no other choice to a rational person with a heart.
That is quite untrue.
It is always wrong for person to use force against another person to make them do what they think is right, if that other person is not physical threat to them.
You set up a false premise.
Do you believe that an unborn is just dead, if aborted, or that it goes to live in paradise. If you had a choice to live with God or live on earth, which would you pick?
Then you try to force someone to make a false choice. The justification for abortion is implied as clear as day.
Can a sociopath ever be cured?
Just out of curiosity, if you had your way, how would you stop women from having abortions?
Hank
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