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Pancreatic Cancer Likes Fructose: Time to Panic?
Reason Magazine ^ | 8/05/2010 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 08/05/2010 7:02:02 AM PDT by toma29

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To: Mase
I don't believe for a second that Lustig thinks a calorie is not a calorie.

Those are his exact words.

Watch the video.

101 posted on 08/06/2010 12:31:33 PM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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To: Mase
Look at your chart. Similar to the one Lustig uses. Lustig shows sugar has increased from 73 to 95 pounds per person per year. When you add the sugar from fruit juice it rises to 113 pounds per person per year.

Way too much sugar, regardless the source. This is the point.

102 posted on 08/06/2010 12:40:58 PM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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To: Mase
No processed stuff? What an absolutely boring was to go through life.

Don't confuse cooking with consuming HFCS added processed foods.

I am a gourmet chef. I use real foods. I grind my own coffee beans. I make fresh fruit sorbet, no sugars added. I make the best fajitas in the world, IMHO. My children do not like to eat out - the food tastes like crap compared to what they get at home. I use moderate amounts of sugar - my cheese cake wouldn't be the same. I enjoy red wine. A Spaten Octoberfest is wonderful.

103 posted on 08/06/2010 1:17:58 PM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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To: toma29

BUMP


104 posted on 08/06/2010 1:20:15 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Mase
Fructose consumption (as both high fructose corn syrup and sucrose) has increased coincidentally with the worldwide epidemics of obesity and metabolic syndrome. Fructose is a primary contributor to human disease as it is metabolized in the liver differently to glucose, and is more akin to that of ethanol. When consumed in large amounts, fructose promotes the same dose-dependent toxic effects as ethanol, promoting hypertension, hepatic and skeletal muscle insulin resistance, dyslipidemia and fatty liver disease. Also similar to ethanol, through direct stimulation of the central nervous system “hedonic pathway” and indirect stimulation of the “starvation pathway,” fructose induces alterations in central nervous system energy signaling that lead to a vicious cycle of excessive consumption, with resultant morbidity and mortality. Fructose from any source should be regarded as “alcohol without the buzz.” Obesity prevention and treatment is ineffective in the face of the current “fructose glut” in our food supply. We must learn from our experiences with ethanol and nicotine that regulation of the food industry, along with individual and societal education, will be necessary to combat this fructose epidemic.

http://www.cookusinterruptus.com/files/Bariatrician%20Fructose.pdf

105 posted on 08/06/2010 1:38:42 PM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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To: FatherofFive
Those are his exact words.

No, you're not understanding him, which comes as no surprise. He's saying that the efficiencies are different for metabolizing protein, fat and carbohydrates. That's a fact and no one disputes it. He is not saying that the measure of energy is different. That would be absurd. Anyone passing freshman nutrition will understand this distinction. Why don't you?

106 posted on 08/06/2010 1:53:30 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: FatherofFive
Lustig shows sugar has increased from 73 to 95 pounds per person per year.

The chart shows that the use of caloric sweeteners has increased. How do you define sugar?

Way too much sugar, regardless the source. This is the point.

I thought the point was that fructose consumption, mainly from HFCS ("it's in everything!"), has dramatically increased and is causing horrendous diseases. The chart shows no such thing. For some reason, your interpretation of Lustig's "point" keeps changing. Why?

107 posted on 08/06/2010 1:58:16 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
He is not saying that the measure of energy is different.

No one said he did. This is all about the way sugar is used by the body.

108 posted on 08/06/2010 2:07:25 PM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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To: FatherofFive
Don't confuse cooking with consuming HFCS added processed foods.

But that's not what you said. You said: I eat a healthy diet. Real food, ie, no processed stuff.

I believe that you are very confused when it comes to your understanding of the subject. You're not alone. If you use sugar, you're using HFCS. HFCS and table sugar are made up of the same two chemicals, in almost identical proportions, and your body cannot tell where they came from nor does it care. That is a fact.

If you drink beer and wine you are consuming a processed product. If you eat pasta, you are eating a processed foodstuff. If you use cream cheese in your cheesecake, you are using a processed product. You eat processed foods every day of the week even though you want us to believe that you only eat "real" food and no processed stuff.

That's why I asked for your definition of "processed." It's another term that has you confused. That must be why your definition of it is subject to change.

109 posted on 08/06/2010 2:13:45 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: FatherofFive
Do you have any idea what you've posted here? Can you explain any of it in your own words? Please note the one excerpt that will clue you in that you're dealing with junk...

Do they ever quantify what constitutes "large amounts?"

You've proven that you're going to believe whatever you want to believe and that's fine. Just understand that your conclusions, even though they are a moving goal post, are based on junk science

110 posted on 08/06/2010 2:47:57 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: FatherofFive
No one said he did. This is all about the way sugar is used by the body.

Ok, then he's referring to the different efficiencies, not that the measure of the amount of energy is different. Because the measure of the amount of energy is always the same. Thus a calorie is always a calorie, just like I've been saying.

111 posted on 08/06/2010 2:52:18 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: from occupied ga

His book is about cancer prevention, not cancer treatment (although he does mention some things about that). Sorry if my other posts sounded like he was curing cancer by eliminating HFCS. However, he does write about what feeds cancer, which includes sugar. Servant-Schrieber is an M.D. and a Ph.D., and was doing research at UPMC when he discovered his tumor. And he literally discovered his own brain tumor.


112 posted on 08/06/2010 4:32:05 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
People couldn’t say that 30 years ago.

Really?


113 posted on 08/06/2010 4:38:36 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: FatherofFive

Isn’t it amazing how people only believe what they want to believe? Good for you for cooking for your kids. My son is 23 months and he has never had processed food. Because I chose this path for him, it forces me down that same path. Sure it would be easy to nuke him a hotdog for lunch, but have you seen the ingredients in even the premium dogs? And who would give a kid pasteurized cheese product? My kid loves pecorino romano! We have switched to many organic products and I’ve expanded my garden. I intend to follow my mother’s footsteps and preserve what I’ve raised. Cooking at home is not only healthier, it is much cheaper. I have recently started eliminating soy. Wow. Big task because it’s in everything. I now even make my own mayo because of this. Just a little whey strained from yogurt and it’ll last in the frige for a month. My next project is homemade yogurt.
BTW, my son has been eating half an avacado a day since he was six months old. How many kids eat avacados? You’re doing the right thing for not only your kids, but also for your future grandkids. Your kids will pass on this vital information to them. Good on ya!


114 posted on 08/06/2010 4:41:13 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Kozak

This chart shows mortality rates declining in <50 year olds, not the amount of cancer diagnoses declining in <50 year olds. With new medicines and new technologies for early detection, this chart is not surprising.


115 posted on 08/06/2010 4:46:31 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
The one problem you will have is when your children go to another parent's house for meals. They will not enjoy the salty, sugar laden processed fare some parents prepare.

The good thing is that your house will be a magnet for your children's friends. My daughter is a D1 college basketball player. I have often hosted her AAU and school teams for dinner. The most common statement from her teammates was, "Do you eat like this all the time?!?"

My children enjoy lamb, they make their own salad dressings (No HFCS!)they can all make a buerre blanc sauce, and grill asparagus. We grow our own fresh herbs. Cooking real food is a wonderful family experience. It is not always cheaper, but it is always better.

116 posted on 08/06/2010 5:04:16 PM PDT by FatherofFive (0bama is dangerous and must be stopped.)
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To: FatherofFive

Lol! Grilled asperagus is one of my son’s favorites. He also loves grilled swordfish. You’re right, some of the things that we cook are more expensive than hotdogs and chicken fingers (most have breading with hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils). I like to think that it saves money in the long run. I am one of the few women in our community that cooks, and my husband is one of the few men who cook. Granted, it’s not gourmet fare from him (and sometimes me, I’m no gourmet but I do love to cook and I have pretty good technique), but a super simple grilled chicken salad is better than most of the crap people feed their kids. Unless there are issues we don’t know about, Roman will have less risk or issues with ADD, diabetes, concentration, asthma, allergies, etc. Even with our great health insurance, the cost of these issues could really add up! And again, the lessons we are teaching our kids is priceless. Your kids make buerre blanc! I love it! Could you put a price tag on the time you spent with them during this learning process? Also, I think it is so important for our kids to know where their food comes from. I want my son to know veg, fruit, and herbs come from the ground. If things are heading they way some think they are heading, growing ones own food will be a means of survival.


117 posted on 08/06/2010 5:28:06 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: toma29

BTTT


118 posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:25 AM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is...Tell the storm how big your God is!)
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