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Criminals To "Run Wild" After East St. Louis Slashes Its Police Force
Business Insider ^ | 08/01/2010 | Business Insider

Posted on 08/01/2010 5:28:57 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

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To: Psalm 144

I believe it was the advent of government schools that destroyed cities. When the middle class saw that their children would be forced to go to school with the progeny of the poor and the criminal class, they split for the suburbs. That left the cities populated by the very rich and the very poor. The rich stayed because they can afford private school. The poor who were either unable or unwilling to better themselves stayed, too.


81 posted on 08/01/2010 9:36:49 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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I recall as a naive little kid from the DC suburbs at age 14, on a bus trip to Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico in 1966, passing through some part of the St Louis area heading west, and it looked like Dresden after the bombing: block after block of rubble as far as the eye could see, punctuated with the occasional isolated row house - 1 or 2 per block perhaps - some boarded up, some not. Chilling.

‘Course not as chilling as our stop down by the river near the arch thing, where a splendid gang of pre-teen white rufians were impressing my group with their collection of pistols, some more noteworthy than others, having been lifted from their deceased victims’ hands.

It created in me an almost overwhelming desire to move there, but somehow fate took me elsewhere.


82 posted on 08/01/2010 9:51:53 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Maybe some other FReeprs out there can comment on when E. St. Louis turned into hellhole central. It’s pretty sad it has been that way for so long.

I grew up outside of East St. Louis. The place has always had something of a gritty reputation. In its earlier days it was a typical river town. A hundred years ago, Eisenhower went to Jefferson Barracks to take his exams for West Point. He and a couple of other guys decided to skip out one night, took a street car to St. Louis, and wound up in East St. Louis. Asking for assistance to get back, they found themselves with a revolver barrel in their faces. In 1918 there was a major race riot there. The Shelton Gang had a presence there during Prohibition and beyond, and the outfit of Buster Worthman did until the 1970's. It has always had its share of poverty.

I would have to say, though, that the place was at least liveable -- not anywhere near the basket case it is now -- until the late 1970's. My mother shopped in downtown ESL in the '50's and '60's. The downtown evidently had been pretty impressive at one time. We would go through ESL all the time to get to places like Collinsville or Fairmont City, often at night. My father bought a '68 Delmont 88 from Bundy Olds in downtown ESL, and the whole transaction, from test drive to delivery, was done in the evening. I worked retail in ESL when I was in high school without really a second thought and without incident. There were always areas in ESL that you knew not to go to, but never, in those days, did we consider the whole city off limits.

In the '60's and 70's, I think, ESL started its steepest decline. Practically all industry moved out. There was major white flight, but the overall population itself began to drop as well. The downtown failed. A series of utterly corrupt city governments bled the place dry. The schools were so ineptly and corruptly managed that they were eventully taken over by the state. (Ain't that ironic?) City service like police, fire, garbage pickup, were severely reduced. Property values plummeted. All put together, you have the ruin that ESL is today.

A shame, really. There is an ESL history online that shows what a viable city it once was. But government corruption, economic failure, and all the pathologies that go with the welfare state, did it in.

83 posted on 08/01/2010 10:32:38 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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The place has been a hell hole since the sixties!


84 posted on 08/02/2010 6:36:47 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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