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Bus driver says religious views led to firing (refused to take clients to PP clinic)
statesman ^ | July 17, 2010 | Steven Kreytak

Posted on 07/17/2010 2:41:57 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Misterioso

Your typical atheist is never going to take a job driving bus when he can get a government grant to suck off of the rest of his life.


21 posted on 07/17/2010 3:53:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Gene Eric

And it is “our business” to protect the unborn.


22 posted on 07/17/2010 3:53:49 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Do you see atheism as a belief? If so, how is his refusal to perform his job any different than the Christian’s refusal?


23 posted on 07/17/2010 3:58:10 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: muawiyah

There is no such thing as a “typical atheist.”


24 posted on 07/17/2010 3:59:21 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Gene Eric

Could you post an example of nonliberal’s “superior intellect?”


25 posted on 07/17/2010 4:02:30 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Misterioso

Belief schlemief. Someone doesn’t work, you fire the bum.


26 posted on 07/17/2010 4:05:29 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (A woman is like an artichoke; you have to do a bit of work to get to her heart ~Insp. Clouseau)
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To: Larry Lucido

So you agree that the Texas man should have been fired. Good.


27 posted on 07/17/2010 4:07:07 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Misterioso

On the one hand, I can admire the driver for making a stand, and on the other, understanding that he probably needs to find another career where he would not have to make a choice whether or not to compromise his beliefs.


28 posted on 07/17/2010 4:10:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Misterioso

Oh definitely.


29 posted on 07/17/2010 4:14:30 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (A woman is like an artichoke; you have to do a bit of work to get to her heart ~Insp. Clouseau)
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To: trumandogz
He was hired to be a bus driver and not a mind reader to determine what his passengers planned to do at their destination. They were right to fire him.

What a strange day. I agree with you.

30 posted on 07/17/2010 4:16:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: dfwgator

Do you admire his bring suit against his former employer?


31 posted on 07/17/2010 4:21:51 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Gene Eric
And it is “our business” to protect the unborn.

Where is that written? If you say "The Bible," please quote it.

32 posted on 07/17/2010 4:24:50 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: NYer

This is a situation of “facilitation”, and the problem with that is where does real facilitation begin and end? This is a question that reaches beyond just the law, extending into religion as well.

To start with the law, under most circumstances, if someone is driving a public conveyance, such as a bus, they can only refuse service if they know that they are facilitating a crime. For example, they could refuse service to someone they know is en route to, or has committed a bank robbery. To do otherwise makes them an accessory. But unless the passenger is soon to committing or has committed a crime, it is too easy to say they are being denied service for “who they are”, not “what they are doing”, which is unlawful.

This extends to religion, but only if that religion is very clear that such an act would be facilitation, and intolerable to its members. Without such a declaration from the religion, there is little tolerance for “personal religious viewpoints” by the courts.

For this reason, the bus driver would need for a minimum of his church leader to come forward to say that it is a policy for that church’s members to not transport people to or from abortion clinics, and they have said so to their members. If it was a *clearly* written doctrine, even better.

But this is about the only way the bus driver could prevail.

But on the assumption that he loses, which he probably will, he should take the opportunity to lobby his church, and other churches of a similar mind in his area, to *create* such an affirmative defense in the future.

This is an even greater victory, because the doctrine can be written in such a way as to insure that many church members who are both public and private employees have a much more powerful tool in the courts in the future.

That is, while he has lost his job, he may save the jobs of many other people in the future, who want nothing to do with abortion. And this can be a potent tool.


33 posted on 07/17/2010 4:25:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Misterioso

No, I think he should understand that the company does not share his beliefs and he should not impose on them.


34 posted on 07/17/2010 4:26:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Misterioso

>> Could you post an example of nonliberal’s “superior intellect?”

Would it matter if you could not comprehend the example?


35 posted on 07/17/2010 4:30:59 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Misterioso

>> Where is that written? If you say “The Bible,” please quote it.

You may not give a crap about humans that are butchered to death, so consider yourself excluded from “our business”.

Don’t think you can marginalize my Pro-Life position on the basis of Christianity - you’ll continue to fail.


36 posted on 07/17/2010 4:35:33 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: NYer

He was worried he MIGHT be taking someone to get an abortion. He should also worry that everyone getting on the bus MIGHT be armed and on their way to murder someone.


37 posted on 07/17/2010 4:38:23 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
But on the assumption that he loses, which he probably will, he should take the opportunity to lobby his church, and other churches of a similar mind in his area, to *create* such an affirmative defense in the future.

So, an Amish guy could get a job as a bus driver and refuse to take anyone anywhere because modern transportation is against his beliefs. As long as had the backing of his church members, per your criterion, he should prevail in court and be able to draw his paycheck while sitting in his bus to nowhere?

38 posted on 07/17/2010 4:45:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Gene Eric

Your answer is no. Try to be brief.


39 posted on 07/17/2010 5:24:42 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Gene Eric

Our business? You and who else, boss?


40 posted on 07/17/2010 5:26:38 PM PDT by Misterioso (The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it. -- Ayn Rand)
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