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Hays County Texas deputies accused of excessive force against 80yr-old man and his son
Injusticeeverywhere.com ^ | July 4, 2010 | David Packman

Posted on 07/05/2010 9:43:09 AM PDT by TheMom

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To: El Gato
"A causality of the environmental wackos."

Do you suppose you could explain how a diving pig caused environmental wackos?

41 posted on 07/05/2010 12:30:47 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: vetvetdoug; Comstock1

This is a discussion forum. We discuss. That politics thing goes both ways too. Also it’s my understanding that the Sheriff was not present. Just 4 deputies.


42 posted on 07/05/2010 12:31:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: El Gato
Never caught his act, but saw the signs along I-35 for years.

Ditto. But the sign did say "swimming".

43 posted on 07/05/2010 12:38:30 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Now can we forget about that old rum-runner Joe Kennedy and his progeny of philandering drunks?)
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To: TheMom

Thanks The Mom. Figured it was either his brother or a cousin. Hope this all ends well.


44 posted on 07/05/2010 12:45:58 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Comstock1
That still doesn’t change the incorrectness of your statements based on the facts as then known.

I knew about this incident before TheMom posted this thread. You were the one posting out of ignorance not me.

45 posted on 07/05/2010 1:24:17 PM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Comstock1
I posted the blog article because no other media has picked it up (that I know of).

I am glad that your experiences with the Hays County deputies were different then those of Mr. Threadgill & his son. But that because you did not get beaten or threatened does not mean that it does not happen.

What that means is that I would like to see something other than UNVERIFIED accounts before rushing to judgement. A first hand account by Mr. Threadgill and a witness does not count as verified?

Seeing as how this is a very serious criminal matter I don’t see why so many people have a problem with waiting for at least some verification and corroboration from someone who is not immediately involved or directly related to those involved.

Like the deputies that did this to Mr. Threadgill and his son?

46 posted on 07/05/2010 1:26:51 PM PDT by TheMom (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: vetvetdoug
I will speak personally for the Sheriff, Tommy is about an upstanding individual as there can be in LE.

Perhaps this incident will start an apparently needed house cleaning by the Sheriff.

47 posted on 07/05/2010 1:29:11 PM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: vetvetdoug
The election is just in a couple of months and there could be some political motive for the event also...just hypothesizing.

Don't think so.

I will speak personally for the Sheriff, Tommy is about an upstanding individual as there can be in LE.

Then he will not doubt fire the four deputies that did this.

48 posted on 07/05/2010 1:32:28 PM PDT by TheMom (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: TheMom

I wasnt sure of the relationship but knew they were kin


49 posted on 07/05/2010 2:23:51 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: TheMom

Where did I dispute this happened? The fact is, I have stated more than once that I don’t dispute the possibility that this criminal conduct on part of the deputies took place. Disprove that point or drop it.

Mr Threadgill and his son are the complaining parties. As such there statements need verification and corroboration before any charges or suits can be brought against the deputies. His daughter and wife are obviously closely connected to the case. As such their statements are also in need of verification. The supposed witness would also need to have his statements verified. Otherwise all of this is nothing more than a he said/ she said argument that will not go anywhere.

If a disinterested third party such as the Texas Rangers or DPS (maybe even a Hays County IA unit) were to investigate, then that would be sufficient verification to proceed against the deputies. Or to dismiss without charging if there was insufficient evidence to bring charges.

My only statement of belief is that I find this to be out of character with the department that I have had limited experience with. We’ve only heard one side of what happened. To me that means that further investigation is warranted before flying off the handle and calling deputies jack booted thugs or whatever else people tend to call LEOs nowadays.


50 posted on 07/05/2010 2:24:03 PM PDT by Comstock1 (You can't have Falstaff and have him thin.)
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To: Eaker

What did I say that was ignorant? Did I say it never happened? Did I say anyone lied? The only thing I was ignorant of was the FB posting. Now that I had a chance to read it, I fail to see how that should change anything that I wrote.

Clearly, there is evidence that something happened. All the statements surrounding what happened have come from the people involved or closely related to those involved. From what I have read so far (obviously there could more I haven’t seen) this is all from one side. We don’t know if there are other witnesses that could dispute this.

Now, how does this change my original statement? I simply said this seems out of character for this department. Is that in dispute? Are Hays County deputies infamous for their depravity and wanton disregard for public safety? If so, I stand corrected. And will duly eat aforementioned unicorn shat Skittles.


51 posted on 07/05/2010 2:34:05 PM PDT by Comstock1 (You can't have Falstaff and have him thin.)
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To: Eaker

Wait a minute here. Are you saying Unicorns dont crap Skittles?

Wow. I am gonna need a moment here, my world is upside down!

:)


52 posted on 07/05/2010 2:39:39 PM PDT by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: TheMom
The Derailers~ The Right Place
53 posted on 07/05/2010 2:47:13 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Comstock1

Look, The Threadgills are founded on Peace Love And Understanding.

It is unlikely that the were in the wrong.

It could happen. Beer is always a element but I just dont see it. These folks are legends here in Texas


54 posted on 07/05/2010 3:05:50 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: mylife

Ummm, I lived or worked there off and on for the last decade. I’ve kind of heard of them. Even been to a few concerts at the place off of Barton Springs.


55 posted on 07/05/2010 3:20:36 PM PDT by Comstock1 (You can't have Falstaff and have him thin.)
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To: philetus

Oh no... No Malice or BS

There is NO reason to send 4 deputys after an 80 year old man getting a fishin pole even if he mouthed off at someone


56 posted on 07/05/2010 3:25:21 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: philetus

officer Gary Griffi More.. “did momentarily cross the line into the use of excessive force”

You mean that bit where the officer was out of line? and caused bodily damage for grins?


57 posted on 07/05/2010 3:28:34 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Eaker; TheMom
I have no doubt that Sheriff Ratliff will do the honest and right action once all of the facts are on the table and he's had a chance to review this. Many of Tommy's classmates and colleagues will concur that Sheriff Ratliff is one of the most upstanding and honest individuals that one could ever meet. I have known many sheriff's and Tommy is one of the best.
58 posted on 07/05/2010 3:29:54 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: mylife
There is NO reason to send 4 deputys after an 80 year old man getting a fishin pole even if he mouthed off at someone

I've long maintained that a majority of cases like this could be prevented by LEO's being polite and patient. I worked in corrections for a bit, and found that letting a con spout a bit then saying "Well you've got a point there, Mr. Schmoe, I'm still going to have to put you in solitary for a bit." worked. My deal was if you had to go to baton and cuffs, you screwed up. Sometimes there was no choice, but it was by their choosing, not yours.

59 posted on 07/05/2010 3:35:18 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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Meanwhile My friend had the AC at his rent house stolen.

Cops couldnt be bothered to take a report. I had to go over there wit a 1911 and poke around and make notes


60 posted on 07/05/2010 3:36:52 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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