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Withholding Care from Vegetative Patients: Financial Savings and Social Costs
The Hasings Center ^ | 7/2/10 | L. Syd M Johnson

Posted on 07/04/2010 10:29:16 AM PDT by wagglebee

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In weighing the possible financial savings against the social costs of declaring these patients “worthless,” it is not at all obvious that ending treatment for all permanently vegetative patients will result in a net benefit.

It means the abandonment of thousands of years of Judeo-Christian culture.

1 posted on 07/04/2010 10:29:19 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/04/2010 10:30:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 07/04/2010 10:31:02 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 07/04/2010 10:31:50 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Bed wetting liberals first


5 posted on 07/04/2010 10:35:22 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: wagglebee
AKA: Death Panels...


6 posted on 07/04/2010 10:38:44 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: wagglebee
Once the ghouls who flatter themselves as "bioethicists" cross the line from the "sanctity of life" to the "quality of life," there is no longer any rational basis for limiting the temptation to render life and death judgment. I can sit and make judgments all day about other peoples' quality of life, but that is not my place, nor is it anyone else's place.
7 posted on 07/04/2010 10:40:27 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: darkwing104

My thoughts exactly.


8 posted on 07/04/2010 10:40:41 AM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: wagglebee

If i’m not 100% functional they had better kill me or i’ll do it myself!


9 posted on 07/04/2010 10:48:56 AM PDT by dalereed (in)
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To: wagglebee

In my opinion any ‘money’ saved is money in someones pockets.

They will continue wringing out every penny they can from us
even beyond death. The quicker we die, the quicker they get death taxes
and who knows what else.


10 posted on 07/04/2010 10:49:01 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Looks like a good place to insert this email I got awhile back...

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If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
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A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he’ll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he’s “offended”.

Well, I forwarded it to you.


11 posted on 07/04/2010 10:53:30 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: wagglebee

I spent 32 years as a registered respiratory therapist which affords me some expertise in this matter. One thing I learned after so many years caring for such patients, both in general medical and chronic care facilities, is you canNOT predict whether or not a patient is going to awaken or what is going on “inside”. I have seen a miracle or two.

The ONLY people who should make end-of-life decisions for ANYONE should be the people who love them. The idea that such decisions should be made by others, particularly pip-squeak bureaucrats, is anathema to everything we believe in this CHRISTIAN FREE COUNTRY.

I am so sick to DEATH of these leftist “experts”. I hope they break something important.


12 posted on 07/04/2010 11:03:28 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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Keeping a patient who is in a vegetative state on a ventilator and giving him regular dialysis is insane.

If he can’t breathe on his own, that tells you there is nothing left in his brain.


13 posted on 07/04/2010 11:09:27 AM PDT by JRochelle (My predictions on 2/3/2010: It will be Thune/Rubio in '12.)
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To: 13Sisters76

As a fellow RT, I have seen patients who are breathing on their own but have no normal brain funtion.

If the family wants them to be provided with all possible medical treatment I say fine, but if the patient cannot breathe on his own, no way.


14 posted on 07/04/2010 11:13:25 AM PDT by JRochelle (My predictions on 2/3/2010: It will be Thune/Rubio in '12.)
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Did you miss this paragraph:

The bottom line – and we are talking about the bottom line here – is that patients with chronic disorders of consciousness do not typically receive the kind of expensive technological interventions and intensive care that Mr. Betancourt received in his last days of life. These patients are not taking intensive care beds away from other acutely ill patients.

15 posted on 07/04/2010 11:16:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Truly a slippery slope.


16 posted on 07/04/2010 11:41:39 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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Why stop at vegetative patients.. wot? Oh minimally conscious patients are included.. what's next, geezer slowpokes in express check-out lanes? Obamascare, "give 'em a pill and out of here!"

No surprise. Everyone knew that PELOSI was part of Obamascare. Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative.

Obamascare axiom: Old people never seem to die, they just get in the way.

Democrat former governor of Colorado Richard Lamm twenty years ago declared, seriously ill old people have a duty to die. "Don't you love America? Then die already!" Obamascare. You asked for it and boy . . . .

17 posted on 07/04/2010 11:44:54 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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When Mr. Betancourt was readmitted to Trinitas in July 2008 with renal failure, doctors balked at providing dialysis, artificial nutrition and hydration, and artificial ventilation, claiming that the patient was in an irreversible vegetative state, was actively dying, and that further treatment was medically and ethically inappropriate and inhumane.

I would never make the claim that this patient was taking ICU beds from other patients.

This patient was dying. In fact he did die, despite all their efforts.

My point is that when a person's brain can no longer stimulate breathing, there is no chance of recovery. By that I mean the patient is under no sedation and still cannot breathe.

Many many deaths could be postponed if the patient was intubated and placed on a ventilator.

18 posted on 07/04/2010 11:50:18 AM PDT by JRochelle (My predictions on 2/3/2010: It will be Thune/Rubio in '12.)
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Right now, there is considerable research into the fact that one type of immature stem cell can travel to the brain and replace neurons.

If there was a practical way of doing this, a patient in a vegetative state would have such stem cells removed from their bone marrow, prepared, then transplanted to the brain.


19 posted on 07/04/2010 12:08:51 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: JRochelle

Well, I don’t know how long you have been in the business, but even if you have been an RT for awhile, I have to ask you- Are you suggesting that you have a right to make such a decision for another? You have the right to decide another’s “quality” of life? How many family members have sought you out to ask you for your opinion? You are just doing a job and such patients are part and parcel of that job- you have no stake in the life or death of that person.

Are you one of those hotshots that stands around the bed referring to them as “gorks” or “gomers”? Do you suction them or draw an ABG without EVER talking to them? Are you ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that YOU know what is going on inside? Do you?

Do you have any idea how many nurses, RTs and doctors I have worked with who have absolutely NO sense of the humanity of the patients they deal with every day? You don’t have to be a sob-sister- you just have to share a bit of that humanity.


20 posted on 07/04/2010 12:29:52 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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