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South Carolina toll road in rare Chapter 9 bankruptcy
Reuters ^ | June 24, 2010 | Jonathan Stempel

Posted on 06/27/2010 9:05:52 AM PDT by Willie Green

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To: DoctorBulldog
Back then, roads were built mainly by privateers who charged tolls for their use.

Unfortunately, the folks who used the roads found all sorts of interesting routes to circumvent the toll booths. Which, of course, caused many privateers to go bankrupt.

The truth is, those "private" toll roads were never intended to operate at a profit at all.
In the absence of any formal government highway agencies or departments if of public works, they were merely a legal mechanism for regional business interests to pool their resources in pursuit of a common goal that would provide economic growth.
They expected to profit from growth of their other businesses, not from the highway itself.

21 posted on 06/27/2010 12:57:10 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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To: doosee
stop at 2 different toll booths and pay before you move on

There's one major problem. In Texas, they are doing away with manned tollbooths. Either get a Tolltag or EasyPass, or they run a tab at a higher rate, and mail you a bill for the tolls and processing fees.

Then, of course, you lower speed limits on the paid roads to 50 or 55, and put it at 70 on the toll roads.

Slap lots of properly timed (to catch drivers) red lights, enforced by cameras, on the parallel surface streets.

Before you know it, the toll agency is rolling in money.

22 posted on 06/27/2010 2:11:22 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: CutePuppy; ken5050; Grampa Dave; stephenjohnbanker; TommyDale
The operator of a SC toll highway sought bankruptcy protection in a rare filing by a municipal entity. Connector 2000 Assoc Inc filed for protection in US bankruptcy court, Spartanburg, SC, with more than $200 million of bonds outstanding.

Transportation Bonds----that means two things: (1) mountainous taxpayer debt, and, (2) endless profits for bond sellers like Goldman Sachs.

COMING TO A TOWN NEAR YOU Mother Jones magazine, circa Feb 2007, reported on the activities of Mark Florian, Chief Operating Officer of Goldman Sachs' municipal finance division. According to the report, Florian was traveling to statehouses across the US to convince state officials that selling state assets would be "mutually beneficial." One of the scams involved "monetizing state roads. NOTE WELL: Monetizing means G/S bonding (AKA taxpayer debt)----which earns $billions for G/S til the end of time.

BACKSTORY Then-NJ Gov Corzine (ex-Goldman head) stationed Goldman Sachs functionaries in state government as the issue of road monetization surfaced. Corzine hired four G/S buddies, including G/S alumnus Bradley Abelow as state Treasurer. Corzine took a road show across the state to sell the monetization deal. However, monetizing NJ roads hit a large pothole and collapsed like a flat tire---b/c taxpayers were onto the G/S bonding-debt scam.

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REFERENCE Goldman Sachs opened an office in Princeton NJ 2006 when Corzine was elected governor (the better to loot the NJ Treasury).

Goldman Sachs Hedge Fund Partners
701 Mount Lucas Rd
Princeton, NJ 08540-1911

G/S Hedge Fund Partners advertises it seeks investments in traditional infrastructure sectors including transport infrastructure such as "monetizing" toll roads, airports and ports as well as "monetizing" regulated gas, water and electrical utilities.

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GOOD FOR GOLDMAN, BAD FOR AMERICA (G/S the major toll collector on govt's red-ink railroad)
BY TERRY KEENAN, anchor of Cashin' In, Fox News Sat 11:30 AM.

EXCERPT 7/19/09 G/S morphed into a commercial bank to take advantage of gov't handouts, yet Goldman is really a hedge fund on steroids, with trading accounting for 69% of gross revenue in the first quarter, a big chunk of its trading involves US govt debt -- federal, state and local. G/S has a huge vested interest in the US digging a deeper and deeper hole. Trading govt IOUs is big business.....one of the few growth markets on Wall Street.

IPO's, M&A's, etc, have yet to recover but the US will borrow a record $3.25 trillion in the current fiscal year -- four times as much as in 2008.

With its biggest competitors out of business, G/S is a major toll collector on Washington's red-ink railroad, a "debt tsunami" that will lift Goldman's fortunes. G/S plays on the bankrupting of America -- the more we borrow, the more they make........

........but the American public should know this side of the G/S profit miracle. Through savvy trading and management, G/S set aside $11.4B this year to compensate its employees on a playing field cleared of its top competitors and soon after Uncle Sam bailedout G/S with $10B TARP -- and millions more through AIG, all paid for by taxpayers.

G/S benefits nicely from the govt borrowing binge that was triggered in part by the banking crisis that started in Wall Street's own backyard.

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/seven/07192009/business/good_for_goldman__bad_for_america_180130.htm

23 posted on 06/27/2010 4:32:02 PM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: Liz

“” IPO’s, M&A’s, etc, have yet to recover but the US will borrow a record $3.25 trillion in the current fiscal year — four times as much as in 2008.

With its biggest competitors out of business, G/S is a major toll collector on Washington’s red-ink railroad, a “debt tsunami” that will lift Goldman’s fortunes. G/S plays on the bankrupting of America — the more we borrow, the more they make........

........but the American public should know this side of the G/S profit miracle. Through savvy trading and management, G/S set aside $11.4B this year to compensate its employees on a playing field cleared of its top competitors and soon after Uncle Sam bailedout G/S with $10B TARP — and millions more through AIG, all paid for by taxpayers.

G/S benefits nicely from the govt borrowing binge that was triggered in part by the banking crisis that started in Wall Street’s own backyard. “”

Goldman Sachs doesn’t refer to the White House as their “ D.C. office” for nothing ;-)

Hope you had a good weekend, Liz.


24 posted on 06/27/2010 5:21:14 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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25 posted on 06/27/2010 5:45:27 PM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: Liz

L O L !!


26 posted on 06/27/2010 6:07:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Liz
After getting a black eye from losing their infamous case against two Bear Stearns brokers in unanimous acquittal in the jury trial, SEC just lost another case of "insider trading" in a non-jury (bench) civil trial against Deutsche Bank:

From Judge Dismisses Charges in Major 'Swaps' Case - WSJ, 2010 June 25, by Kara Scannell

and SEC Loss Shows Difficulty of Insider-Trading Cases - WSJ, 2010 June 28, by Kara Scannell

I don't know how SEC can possibly lose the lawsuit against Galleon - that is such out and out crooked deal, even the SEC should be able to win it blindfolded... There are also criminal investigations in the Galleon case.

However, this DB trial gives Goldman Sachs an even stronger hand in their settlement negotiations with SEC. At the same time SEC's lawyers may feel relieved from political pressure to either take GS to trial or settle with Goldman on terms favorable to government (i.e., "to punish" Goldman and make PR example of it) and may now be more incentivized to settle on Goldman's terms. After all, that phony lawsuit was brought mainly for "tough" PR, right in advance of "Wall Street" FinReg "reform"; the DB decision may allow SEC to "save face" and bow out "gracefully" with Goldman, while still managing to declare "win" in the case.

27 posted on 06/27/2010 6:42:54 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Willie Green
"The truth is, those "private" toll roads were never intended to operate at a profit at all."

Yes, so I have heard. However, that line of reasoning does not pass close scrutiny:

Even the very name "toll road" implies pursuit of a profit via tolls, not businesses.

If toll roads were never intended to operate at a profit, then there would never have been a reason to charge a toll in the first place.

Furthermore, if the privateers who financed and built the toll roads were interested only in the economic opportunities which the roads were to supply via an increase in business traffic, then, again, there would be no need to charge a toll.

In the book "A Patriots History of the United States," Dr. Larry Schweikart and Dr. Michael Allen state the following:

"More typical of road construction efforts was the Lancaster Turnpike, connecting Philadelphia to Lancaster, and completed in 1794 at a cost of a half million dollars. Like other private roads, it charged a fee for use, which tollhouse dodgers carefully avoided by finding novel entrances onto the highway past the tollhouse. Hence, roads such as this gained the nickname "shunpikes" for the short detours people found around tollhouses. The private road companies never solved this "free rider" problem. While the Pennsylvania road proved profitable for a time, most private roads went bankrupt, but not before constructing some ten thousand miles of highways." [pg.'s 209-210]

You see, if the roads were never intended to turn a profit, then there would be no reason to worry about "free riders" and most private toll roads certainly would not have gone bankrupt; having turned a profit from, as you say, "growth of their other businesses."

Additionally, if the private owners of these toll roads never actually expected them to turn a profit, then they obviously would have set up a "road maintenance pool" in which all businesses profiting from the increase in traffic would have to pay into it in order to keep the roads maintained and open for even more traffic. The businesses would then just defray these costs by passing them onto their customers, hence negating any need for revenue garnered via tollhouse collections.

Therefore, I reject the popular notion that private toll roads were never intended to operate at a profit. I believe it to be just a myth.

But, that's just me.

Cheers

28 posted on 06/27/2010 9:36:54 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: CutePuppy

This is a great book WRT CDS’s, and CDO’s, that brought down the economy: “The Greatest Trade Ever,” by Gregory Zuckerman.

Tells of a small group who made hundreds of millions and billions by betting the sub-prime mtge industry would go bust. The billionaire is now a candidate in Florida.


29 posted on 06/28/2010 5:51:56 AM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: Willie Green

Canary in the coalmine.


30 posted on 06/28/2010 5:53:20 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: DoctorBulldog
Therefore, I reject the popular notion that private toll roads were never intended to operate at a profit. I believe it to be just a myth.
But, that's just me.

That's OK.
In the overall scheme of things, it doesn't really matter whether they intended to profit or not. The lesson to be learned is that the venture went belly-up and had to be absorbed by the government if we wanted paved roads.

Transportation infrastructure is a market where the private sector FAILS.
Government should provide the infrastructure for the private sector to use because the private sector cannot do it itself.

I got no problems with it. Works for me!

31 posted on 06/28/2010 5:59:22 AM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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To: Willie Green

Agreed.

Cheers


32 posted on 06/28/2010 8:40:11 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: Liz
This is a great book WRT CDS’s, and CDO’s, that brought down the economy: “The Greatest Trade Ever,” by Gregory Zuckerman.

I have posted several articles here how John Paulson and a few others made a killing on CDSs and made George Soros' English Pound trade look chumpy, but it wasn't enough to know about CDSs, it wasn't easy to get to trade them.

From book reviews After the fall, the autopsies - B, 2009 November 09, by Jay Palmer, reviewd by Ann C. Logue


33 posted on 06/28/2010 4:32:20 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy; Liz
A big part of the problem, of course, are couple of white elephants in the corner of the picture - Fannie, Freddie, FHA, HUD and Congresses / Presidents, the courts and their legislations and regulations like CRA that were "sub-priming" the pump of the residential mortgage bubble for decades (with financial industry in the middle of it, as a conduit).

* In his later book, Henry Paulson claimed that there was an agreement to sell Lehman to U.K.-based Barclays Plc., but that British government delayed the buyout for review. "The British screwed us!" Hank Paulson told the U.S. bankers the next day when Lehman had to file bankruptcy. Paulson Says He Was Prepared to Guarantee Lehman - FR / BL, 2010 January 29

34 posted on 06/28/2010 4:54:39 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
Taxpayers better memorize the Pledge of Allegiance To The Dem Machine: "I pledge allegiance to the Dem Machine, and to the conspiracy for which it stands, one tax-sucking racket under Ohaha, with slavery, debt, poverty, and eternal G/S bonding for all taxpayers."

We are witnessing the trillion dollar implementation of the most efficient political machine since the halcyon days of 1940's era Europe. Obama's slush funds are strengthening the Democrat Party. All of his official acts are designed to handout bailout monies to insiders who kickback contributions to THE DEM MACHINE.

1/29/10-----Paulson Says He Was Prepared to Guarantee Lehman. In his book, Henry Paulson claimed that there was an agreement to sell Lehman to UK-based Barclays Plc., but that the British govt delayed the deal. "The British screwed us!" Hank Paulson told US bankers the next day when Lehman had to file bankruptcy.

Watta a basshole this guy is. As Bush's Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson (former Goldman CEO) first suggested the “$750 billion” bailout. Paulson stationed his G/S right hand man Neel Kaskari to (cough) oversee $750B TARP payouts. We still do not know in which G/S rathole these two secreted the $750B.

Paulson threatened US Senators with Martial Law if they did not vote him the bailout billions. This depraved G/S Pig---Paulson---demanded the TARP be exempt from judicial, legislative, and regulatory review. $750B disappeared without a trace---and NO significant effect on the economy.

US Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) said that Congress was not told the truth about the $700 billion bailout. "The American people don't know how much money Treasury Secy Henry Paulson has given away to anyone. IT COULD BE TO HIS FRIENDS. We don't know. There is no way of knowing.''

Later, Paulson told Congress bailout billions would be used for one purpose then the foxy, wily Paulson changes horses in midstream and decides to use the billions for something else.

The heck with Congress enacting the bailout law for one use. Paulson personally decides he and the G/S guys will use it for "something else."

As US citizens line up at soup kitchens and sell apples on street corners, Paulson, Kashkari, and the G/S frat boys are cashing in bigtime......numbered offshore bank accounts, "parking" bailout billions at Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street entities; wire-transfers must be going 24/7.

The late economist John Kenneth Galbraith blamed Goldman Sachs policies for causing the Great Depression of '29. In his book, The Great Crash, 1929, Galbraith, a key figure in JFK's admin, an entire chapter titled “In Goldman, Sachs, We Trust,” details the “large-scale corporate thimblerigging” that Goldman and other Wall Streeters practiced in the 1920s.

G/S frat boys at the highest levels of govt are now pulling the levers of power. Watching them operate, we know Goldman types promote their own interests relentlessly...........the rest of us be damned.

G/S insiders are pocketing as fast as they can----making motions to bail out the crooks who contributed to the economy's meltdown is part of the exercise in greed. Even Pres Bush was willing to give the USofA away to Paulson and Bernanke.

" Golly Ben, bailing out hedges and other greedsters is hard work."

"Keep bailing, Paulson."

35 posted on 06/28/2010 6:24:31 PM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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