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Immigration and the Long-Term Decline in Employment Among U.S.-Born Teenagers
cis ^ | May 2010 | Steven A. Camarota, Karen Jensenius

Posted on 05/17/2010 5:08:38 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo

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To: Bad~Rodeo

My fourteen year old requested that we allow him to get a summer job. His school is in session till the middle of June and starts near the end of August. Most summer employers want people to work from May till late September thus making summer employment for U.S. teens close to impossible. I do think that some teens are spoiled; however, many want to work and schools have made that impossible. I won’t even get into the fact that in Maryland teens have to fulfill 75 hours of “volunteer” work in order to graduate high school. So, guess what my 14 year old is doing this summer? Yep, “working” for free in order to graduate high school


21 posted on 05/17/2010 5:56:56 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Bad~Rodeo
I babysat, worked in the diet kitchen of a hospital, worked in a department store summers, nights and weekends, worked as a govt summer hire, detassled corn.

I doubt they even detassel corn any more because most of it is GM now. It was Pioneer Hybrid Seed Company, still in business, I see. Maybe they're not GM. It was gruelling, hot, messy work whether you walked the rows or rode the machines. It only lasted about 3 weeks or so, and I doubt I could have done it year round although most crop work is seasonal unless you're a farmer and have to feed animals.

22 posted on 05/17/2010 5:57:08 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: DYngbld
My daughter has been looking for a part time job for the past two years. Most places aren't hiring part timers, and the ones that are don't want someone who will only be in town for 3 months before going back to school.

I amazes me how many jobs that used to be pretty much exclusively staffed by teens are now held by older adults.

23 posted on 05/17/2010 5:59:30 AM PDT by PogySailor (BHO - Dividing the country into tribes since 2008.)
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To: reaganaut1
Both of my kids worked at McDonalds when they were 16 (my daughter was only 15) and I think it taught them wonderful lessons that a classroom never would.

If you're well off, then those college scholarships won't come easy, acedemic or not. My experience has been that even the acedemic scholarships are somewhat based on parents income.

My son just passed the Bar on his first try and my daughter is working full time for a large company and is a 3rd year law student. They both have a great work ethic!

24 posted on 05/17/2010 6:03:16 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (We need a Commander-in-Chief, not a professor of Law standing at the lectern-Palin 2010)
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To: Aliska

My brothers de-tasseled corn one summer. My city slicker Aunt that moved to the country thought that was the thing to do, so she de-tasseled her sweet corn.


25 posted on 05/17/2010 6:09:00 AM PDT by listenhillary (You might be a modern LIBERAL if you read 1984 & said "YEAH! That's the world that I want!")
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To: Wolfie
Plenty of time to lose your job to cheap foreign labor when they become adults. Why rush it?

I disagree. Teens working in their summer breaks provides many benefits. The do learn work ethics, they earn their own money and learn it's value from having to work for it. It keeps them off the streets and busy. Those who used to work on farms during the summer were physically more fit than those who didn't work. Those who work at places like McDonalds learn to deal with people, bosses and time schedules.

Learning those things after they are grown does not serve anyone well.

26 posted on 05/17/2010 6:10:27 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: Wolfie

Because two generations after this happened in 3rd century Roman Empire, the barbarians sacked Rome while being invited as liberators by their 2nd and 3rd cousins who were “Roman citizens bound to serfdom throughout the Italian peninsula.


27 posted on 05/17/2010 6:13:53 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Bad~Rodeo

The reason that immigrants are taking these low skill jobs is because they don’t have the awesome self-esteem that our kids have. /s


28 posted on 05/17/2010 6:14:13 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: PogySailor

If you are close to a metro area, go to “Craigslist- (blank city)” for that area..... Lot’s of jobs, nuth’n fancy - but in these times?


29 posted on 05/17/2010 6:16:08 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: CAluvdubya

Both of my kids worked at McDonalds when they were 16 (my daughter was only 15) and I think it taught them wonderful lessons that a classroom never would.

I had a friend who was a recruiter who told me that one of his major headaches was dealing with fresh college grads who came from well-do-do, upper-middle class backgrounds where they did not have to work as teenagers. They popped out of elite universities with degrees, never having worked a day in their life, even at McDonalds. He would have to look them in the eye and tell them “I’m sorry, I can’t do anything for you”. (at which point the advanced sense of self-esteem would take over and they would begin venting abuse at him).


30 posted on 05/17/2010 6:27:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: PogySailor
I amazes me how many jobs that used to be pretty much exclusively staffed by teens are now held by older adults.

Because the older adults are working the only jobs they can get after being laid off.

31 posted on 05/17/2010 6:31:59 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Alberta's Child
child labor laws are to blame for this in my opinion, they work the same way that delaying marriage worked to kill marriage.

You make young adults wait years past when they WANT to do certain things, until they have lost all interest in doing them.

Most young adults WANT to get married when the are 14-16, but by their early 20’s have little to no interest in it anymore. Young children as young as 3 or 4 LOVE to work and help, but parents wont allow them. By the time they are in their early 20’s and told to go make their way in the world, they have no interest whatsoever in work, just eternal childhood.

32 posted on 05/17/2010 6:35:57 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: CAluvdubya
National merit scholar awards are completely based on standardized test scores, are unlimited, and will get you a free ride to nearly any college in the US.
33 posted on 05/17/2010 6:38:15 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: DYngbld; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Jim Robinson

The report is clear about the impact of a part-time job on our youth. Not only does it prepare the work habits necessary for later employment, it also is the beginning of their resume, another avenue to later employment.

I’m betting that lack of employment, and the boredom that comes along with empty days, contributes to teen use of chemicals (alcohol or drugs) simply because of available time and resources.

As you suggest, it contributes to a “give to me” attitude, and that would lead to a greater likelihood to consider taking government handouts.

Get illegals out of our employment market. There is NOTHING good about illegal immigration.


34 posted on 05/17/2010 6:38:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
National Merit are not that plentiful, IIRC. It may have changed.

That's only one and there are tons of scholarships out there.

35 posted on 05/17/2010 6:42:14 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (We need a Commander-in-Chief, not a professor of Law standing at the lectern-Palin 2010)
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To: Bad~Rodeo

I’ve already told my kids that when they turn 16, if they can’t pay for their car insurance, no car.


36 posted on 05/17/2010 6:42:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JerseyHighlander

True, but produce and meat were cheap. It was good while it lasted.


37 posted on 05/17/2010 6:50:34 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Actually I was amazed on how liberal the child labor laws are in my state (Iowa). I did not realize a 14 year old could work in as many occupations as the state allows. A bigger restriction is the employers (many will not look at anyone under 16).

In all honesty I think it is wise and prudent to limit occupations for younger workers. I would not feel comfortable with my 14 year old handling industrial equipment or chemicals with some doofus 20 something explaining the process to her.

Also, her primary occupation right now is school. She already works very hard in her classes to get As. In addition she needs to start doing those extra things which increase her chances of getting scholarships down the line (as well as medical/vet/other professional school entry). Many of those things involve volunteering in hospitals etc (it is how the game is played).

I think waiting until your early 20s for marriage is a wise thing myself. My children have had a much better life full of more opportunities than I did when my parents got married in their teens. Also by delaying marriage until I completed my engineering degree, I feel I have accomplished my goals more readily than getting married in my teens.


38 posted on 05/17/2010 6:51:45 AM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: xzins
and that would lead to a greater likelihood to consider taking government handouts

. You hit the nail on the head. I suspect there is a cause and effect because of Social Security 'Totalization'Agreement with Mexico. Please follow the link

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back904.html

39 posted on 05/17/2010 6:53:44 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo (Defensor Fortis)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Far from being unlimited, they are limited and the cut line for Semis is changed every year because of the limit. In our good larger High School, we only had two Finalists out of over 300 graduates last year. Most good (but not the very top) kids in Iowa do not get scholarships to public universities. In general to get any sort of serious scholarship/grant money (unless you are poor or a underrepresented class) you need a 4.0 GPA and a 30 on the ACT. Anything less - forget it. My bosses daughter did both, had a bunch of extracurriculars, and went into an underrepresented major (Engineering) and she still did not get the full ride scholarship to a state school. She did get the next level though ($5K/yr). She graduated with over 10 kids with 4.0s (and these are kids in dual enroll college classes, AP classes, Honors classes throughout).


40 posted on 05/17/2010 7:01:41 AM PDT by exhaustguy
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