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It’s all a conspiracy ("Birther" Hitpiece by Leftist Rag)
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 05/15/10 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 05/15/2010 3:23:59 PM PDT by circumbendibus

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To: little jeremiah

PLease refer to post 228, it settles the question. I can’t copy it because it’s some kind of graphic that I can’t do.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2513818/posts?page=228#2228

Bushpilot1 found something quite interesting.


An opinion from 1781 is from seven years before the ratification of the US Constitution and the 14th Amendment ratified in 1868 is the current source of citizenship law.
Here’s the current law of the land:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html


41 posted on 05/15/2010 7:16:38 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

None so blind as he who does not want to see.


42 posted on 05/15/2010 7:30:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You’re scaring me.


43 posted on 05/15/2010 7:31:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: john mirse
The Las Vegas Sun is a DNC mouthpiece in Las Vegas. No one would even read the 6-page newspaper except that it was bought out by the Las Vegas Review-Journal and is now more of an insert that gives you the progressive left point of view.

In short, it is not a real newspaper. No birth announcements, obituaries, wedding announcements and the like. Those can be found in the R-J.

44 posted on 05/15/2010 7:53:25 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2010)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You only need one parent a U.S. citizen and birth on American soil to be a Native born(naturalized) citizen. Natural born citizenship ( Article 2) requires that both parents be U.S. citizens. A minor child can not lose citizenship by actions of the parents. Regardless obama at best(unlikely) is a native born citizen and thus ineligible to be President.


45 posted on 05/15/2010 7:57:42 PM PDT by omegadawn
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To: omegadawn

WELL SAID, AND WELCOME.


46 posted on 05/15/2010 8:30:47 PM PDT by bitt ("WE THE PEOPLE" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE)
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To: abclily; circumbendibus

You must be dreaming if you ever think that today’s DNC have the same moral standard as RNC in Nixon’s days, it will never happen when you are dealing with rats!!!


47 posted on 05/15/2010 8:31:48 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Philo1962; lentulusgracchus
Exactly. I think he really was born in Hawaii, and I think having one American citizen as a parent is more than enough to make him a "natural born citizen.

Stanley was NOT old enough to do that???

48 posted on 05/15/2010 8:35:26 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: jamese777

Obama Sr. was a subject of the British crown. That would have made the Usurper a dual citizen at birth. Where in the Constitution does it guarantee that?


49 posted on 05/15/2010 9:16:29 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: danamco

Stanley was NOT old enough to do that???


Age of parents is irrelevant if the child is born in the US. Age matters for children of one American parent when the child is born abroad.

Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Section 1401 of the US Code:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;


50 posted on 05/15/2010 9:18:55 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: lentulusgracchus

As I just said Sr. was a subject of the British Crown. That would have made junior a dual citizen, Right?


51 posted on 05/15/2010 9:18:56 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: jamese777

Where in the Constitution does it say that you can be a dual citizen and president of the United States of America?


52 posted on 05/15/2010 9:22:02 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you for coming to my defense.


53 posted on 05/15/2010 9:26:29 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: omegadawn
You only need one parent a U.S. citizen and birth on American soil to be a Native born(naturalized) citizen.

People born on U.S. soil are not "naturalized," since they're citizens from birth. There's no reason for them to go through any naturalization process.

54 posted on 05/15/2010 9:26:45 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: rambo316

Obama Sr. was a subject of the British crown. That would have made the Usurper a dual citizen at birth. Where in the Constitution does it guarantee that?


You are correct, Obama was a dual US-British citizen at his birth (as was President Chester A. Arthur whose father was Irish). The Usurper lost his British citizenship when he was two years old and Kenya gained independence from the British Empire and he lost his Kenyan citizenship at age 23 when he did not elect to maintain it. Kenya forces a choice and doesn’t allow dual citizenship.

The Constitution is mute on the issue of dual citizenship and there are no laws which endorse it or ban it.
What there is is “State Department guidance” on the issue:
“Dual Nationality:

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person’s statements or conduct. The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person’s allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship. Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country’s embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad.”


55 posted on 05/15/2010 9:48:22 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: little jeremiah

None so blind as he who does not want to see.


That’s true, so read The US Code and SEE what the law of the land has to say about “Nationals and Citizens-at-birth” and blindness will magically disappear.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html


56 posted on 05/15/2010 9:51:50 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: rambo316

I should have put your name in the box as well.

0bot toadies are just so predictable.


57 posted on 05/15/2010 9:52:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: circumbendibus
The Las Vegas Sun is a DNC mouthpiece in Las Vegas. No one would even read the 6-page newspaper except that it was bought out by the Las Vegas Review-Journal and is now more of an insert that gives you the progressive left point of view.

In short, it is not a real newspaper. No birth announcements, obituaries, wedding announcements and the like. Those can be found in the R-J.

*******

The Review Journal: Does it lists births?

If it does, do you know how these births come to be listed in the Review Journal?

Do they ONLY come directly from the hospital?

Do they ONLY come directly from a Las Vegas or Nevada government agency?

Can a person whose child was NOT born in a hospital walk into the newspaper office and ask the newspaper to list the birth of his child? Thanks.

58 posted on 05/15/2010 9:53:52 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: jamese777

No proof has been shown in a court of law as to the location of 0thugga’s birth.

Or even to any living breathing human beings other than the two clowns at Factcheck. Or so they claim.

All anyone has seen are images on the internet. Means nothing.


59 posted on 05/15/2010 9:54:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: melancholy

Therefore, if a naturalized citizen tries to run in ‘12, he/she will be refused a place on the ballot. If he/she sues as an injured party with standing, demanding that, all candidates MUST prove their US birth beyond doubt.

0bagger will have no problem showing his long form as others must show ORIGINAL BCs, right?

That’s precisely why he’ll not dare to run in ‘12, proving that the “nutty birthers” were right about their crazy theory. An aide could have put that theory to sleep in a matter of hours without 0b0z0 scarifying any golf time.


Interestingly the state of Hawaii, even with a Republican Governor and Republicans in charge of the state health department now says that the SHORT form COLB IS the official birth certificate of the state, so Obama will use his short form not a long form to get on the ballot nationwide in 2012. Any birth document that is accepted for a passport is accepted by every other state and the Hawaii COLB is official enough to get a passport.
You can’t get a long form certificate from the state anymore. If you could, I bet thousands of people would be showing them on tv and posting them on the internet just to embarrass Obama into showing his.
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

Obama’s original birth documents could be subpoenaed by the state Attorney General (who is also a Republican) but he seems to be on Obama’s side in all this. His name is Mark L. Bennett.


60 posted on 05/15/2010 10:02:52 PM PDT by jamese777
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