Posted on 05/14/2010 7:15:00 AM PDT by marktwain
The problem isn’t the gun or the open carry of it. Its the perception the media has built. The message they push is that armed people are deranged and cannot be trusted.
The obvious result of that is fewer people buy guns and gun owners are looked at with suspicion. This only supports the eventual banning of firearm ownership.
“I felt threatened so I killed him” is not going to cut it with the DA.”
It works in Florida and Texas.
The questions I asked were of the vein "what do we do about contra-constitutional laws?" AND "what would you suggest [as good] for gun rights?" (Especially if the supposedly supreme law of the land recognizes that right and officials will not "grant you standing.")
dude, i was just gettin my wallet...
seiesly, ping me to yer storename, i'll be sure to shop elsewhere...
It's not just concealed carry, Wisconsin also has civilian bans on stun guns/tazers, pepper spray/tear gas, billy clubs/blackjacks/extendable batons, and several classes of folding and fixed blade knives. So if it comes down to self defense, you'd best be fast on your feet as your legal options are few.
Regards,
GtG
depends on which end of the range im on...8^}
GtG
Yes, I would understand the chances of getting mugged would be exponentially HIGHER in your big 'ole city. I would also understand a .45 strapped to the waist in plain view (with a 9mm concealed for good measure) says "I ain't the one you want.
For the record, I belong to the NRA and support the Second Amendment
I'm happy you belong to the NRA. But, NO, you DON"T support the 2nd Amendment. You don't even UNDERSTAND the 2nd Amendment..... or you would know what "BEAR ARMS" and "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" meant.... of course those are just minor parts of the amendment.
And words on a blog can’t kill: bullets can.
Well, I suppose you are right...... you just never know when a gun is going to unholster itself without the owner's knowledge. And if there's rounds loaded into that weapon.....why the gun just might just start firing all willy-nilly like of its own accord.
You also don't understand quid pro quo - that you sacrifice a right you hold dear and I'll sacrifice a right I hold dear. Further, I'm sure words do more harm every day than a gun does. And don't even get me started on cars and airplanes...... those can be used to kill people too.
With rights come responsibilities. I have not demonstrated myself to be irresponsible with firearms; ergo my right to bear arms should still be retained and uninfringed.
After seeing your intelect and expressions, I've decided to stand by my earlier statements; you should be forced to give up your 1st Amendment rights.
And since you believe inanimate objects, such as bullets, can kill all on their ownsome, I can understand why you think guns are "scary." So maybe YOU shouldn't be allowed to bear arms.........I will continue to do so in case you're ever in public and we cross paths; you apparently have some crazy guns that do stuff on their own that I may have to defend against.
Actually no, I think we are in substantial agreement on most points. Where we differ are tactical issues as to how we achieve the desired ends.
Regards,
GtG
If that is your desire then its your responsibility to post a notice at the entrance to your business.
That will keep law abiding gun owners away and you out of jail for murder.
So he helped them out by turning their lives around with extreme prejudice. Where's the problem?
Then please tell me what your strategy is for achieving those ends.
Also, I would like to hear advice about the State-Statute/State-Constitution conflict I mentioned in a previous post. It is a contradiction I find most disturbing; especially because there seems to be no way to address/appeal/petition-for-redress at the moment.
Neither has anyone else. Wisconsin doesn't have CCW.
Ping
BINGO! We have a winner!
This is a LE training issue. The local DA needs to do his job and inform the LEOs and dispatchers that bearing arms is a Constitutionally-protected right, not "disturbance of the peace."
Open carry should no more trigger automatic police response than a call of, "Man with a typewriter", or "Man speaking out loud on a public street!"
Read my #10
GtG
Ah, gotcha. Didn’t get that far.
Such is life. At least he is alive and not dead. There are consequences to defending yourself. I think the criminals who were shot deserve considerable responsibility for this situation.
Also, I would like to hear advice about the State-Statute/State-Constitution conflict I mentioned in a previous post. It is a contradiction I find most disturbing; especially because there seems to be no way to address/appeal/petition-for-redress at the moment.
Organize groups that share the same interest and support candidates that will be supportive of those ends. It's not as grim as it sounds as Wisconsin is "blue" only in the large metropolitan areas (Milwaukee, Dane, Racine, & Kenosha) and the Indian Reservations. It would take a shift in only one or two of those liberal enclaves to tip the balance.
I am not opposed to open carry as we have hundreds of thousands of deer hunters beating the bushes every year with a remarkable safety record, I am opposed to "in your face grandstanding" however. The law enforcement community should be our natural allies and open carry does not help us there. You catch more fly's with honey then you do with vinegar.
You are right about the willful ignoring of rights having no current solution. So you can either sit and bitch about it or work to change the system currently in place. I am working on real change.
Regards,
GtG
PS I'm a dues paying member of the Second Amendment Foundation, The Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, The USCCA, an endowment life member of the NRA, LAC, and the Second Amendment Task Force. So, yes I do put my money where my mouth is.
I’d rather ‘do something’ than pay someone money I don’t have to do it for me... currently unemployed, so money’s slightly tight.
I suppose my plan to get arrested for exercising guaranteed rights, if no other alternatives present themselves, could double as a plan to get meals [from the jail they’ll lock me in]. [/sarc]
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