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If We Europeanize, Europe is in Trouble
Townhall.com ^ | April 9, 2010 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 04/09/2010 3:59:24 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 04/09/2010 3:59:24 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
It's a fact.

All Socialism's can only exist when there is a healthy Capitalism nearby to feed off of. When the host becomes too sick and injured, or the host itself becomes a Socialism, they all fail rapidly.

Socialism cannot sustain itself. They eventually kill productivity and the entrepreneurial spirit.

2 posted on 04/09/2010 4:05:25 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Righto. The socialist Locusts are bleeding us dry. Wonder how long it will take?


3 posted on 04/09/2010 4:07:44 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: screaminsunshine

I used to wonder and think about “what if’s” when I would read disaster/catastrophe/WWIII novels when I was younger. I just never thought I would be living in the prologue to one.


4 posted on 04/09/2010 4:16:58 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Kaslin
As an ex-pat living in Europe myself, I have often marshaled the arguments presented by Jonah Goldberg in this excellent piece to advise my neighbors why their reflexive animus toward America is not only misplaced but self-defeating. The straightest way to get into such a discussion with Europeans is generally to bring up the name, George Bush, and wait out the predictable eye rolling and snorting to follow. Jonah Goldberg's comments are right on target as far as this goes.

But there is an impulse which drives leftists in America and it goes much deeper than a misplaced urge to ape Europeans. The impulse, which of course European leftists also share, is a drive for power, for control, ultimately a very unattractive and unhealthy drive to play God.

This impulse is an appetite which cannot be satiated and as and when America arrives at a completed European model, the drive to control will go on and on.


5 posted on 04/09/2010 4:20:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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“Europe is a free-rider. It can only afford to be Europe because we can afford to be America.

There you have it!


6 posted on 04/09/2010 4:28:29 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: screaminsunshine

Not very ......


7 posted on 04/09/2010 4:29:39 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: nathanbedford
Not so much in Mississippi... the majority of our citizens have no intention on living under socialism. Haley Barbour has promised to file suit against obama next week. We will not be part of his health program. It may lead to war but so be it... we will not start it.

LLS

8 posted on 04/09/2010 4:32:38 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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"In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world."

-Barack Hussein Obama

9 posted on 04/09/2010 4:33:42 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Kaslin

We’re not in danger of becoming a European country. We are in danger of becoming a Third World country - and for that matter, Europe is in danger of becoming a collection of Third World countries.


10 posted on 04/09/2010 4:38:36 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut)
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To: Kaslin

The stupid liberals will blame all non-secular dissidents for the coming planetary economic collapse. Then they will do what Hitler did to stop the depression: exterminate the scapegoats. “Compassionately”, of course.


11 posted on 04/09/2010 5:00:30 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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If America, the strong, prosperous, generous humanitarian/cultural safe haven for the rest of the world, devolves into a European style, amorphous, unstable and vulnerable ‘nation’… the rest of the world must look to their OWN safety and security.

Many countries in fact owe their ‘birth’ AND their continued existence, to the direct, concrete and ongoing assistance of the U.S-provided almost, on demand. That this historically demonstrable situation is neither acknowledged nor appreciated by recipients of US largesse does not diminish the empirically actual fact that it IS SO.

I’ll love our pulling the plug on these parisites, because that is what (after, in some cases decades) they have become and in spite of all the assistance and guidance of the U.S.

Many of these countries have become like spoiled children who play divorcing parents off each other and are more demanding and ungratefull all the time. These countries shake us down with the thinly disguised threat that they will favor our enemies, if we don’t give aid to them.

Fine… sell yourselves (because that is what you are doing, ANYWAY) to our enemies… THOSE guys will brutalize and oppress you, conscript your sons, outlaw YOUR faith, dismantle your society, plunder your resources, draw the enmity of your neighbors upon you, reduce you and yours to the status of paupers in YOUR OWN country…etc.!!!

Do you see any logic in this?


12 posted on 04/09/2010 5:35:12 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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We're a release valve for the various failures of socialist experiments. Once the release valve is removed, how viable can any socialist system be? Dittoes for the medical system. So many people travel here for the medical care they can't receive in their own countries; if Obamacare is allowed to stand, where will people go?
13 posted on 04/09/2010 5:36:14 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Kaslin

Awesome! I was just formulating such a response, in my head, to my liberal family members who will ask “whats wrong with being more European?”. My answer is, Europe only works becase America is American! Goldberg of course says it better..


14 posted on 04/09/2010 5:42:56 AM PDT by Paradox (The Party of Know.)
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“THOSE guys will brutalize and oppress you, conscript your sons, outlaw YOUR faith, dismantle your society, plunder your resources, draw the enmity of your neighbors upon you, reduce you and yours to the status of paupers in YOUR OWN country…etc.!!!”

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This is ultimately what will happen under a socialist government. More power is never enough and the end result is oppression.

If you want to see spoiled, decadent children on parade I recommend the documentary called “Friends of Kim.” You can watch it in eight parts on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C76HqPaA6kw

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Description:

North Korea is the country many love to hate. Declared as a nation on the axis of evil by George W. Bush but embraced by an international delegation of friends: the Korean Friendship Association.They set out for a march through North Korea. Its aim: to show solidarity with the regime and the North Korean people. The authorities even allowed some US citizens in and an American journalist from ABC.

This ‘International March for Korea’s Peace and Reunification’ is organised by the KFA, the Korean Friendship Association; a worldwide group of supporters of North Korea. Its leader is a 29 year old Spanish citizen, Alejandro Cao de Benos de Les y Perez. Originating from an aristocratic family he heads an organization with mainly young members who are fed up with the consumerism of the Western world.

In 12 days the 22 participants of the march travel through a country full of monuments, propaganda and poverty. Friends of Kim is a film about idealism, trust and crime. What begins as a magical mystery tour ends in a road to claustrophobia.


15 posted on 04/09/2010 5:48:54 AM PDT by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
here's the problem...

without a capitalist system in existence to put the lie to socialism... no one will know how much better it could be.

That in my opinion is why the USSR collapsed, their people could easily see how good we had it here, and wanted what we had.

16 posted on 04/09/2010 5:52:21 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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Europe can offer live under soft socialism because they have lived under a nuclear AMERICAN umbrella for the last 65 years.

The USA has essentially shouldered the defense budget for Europe and has stared down the Soviet threat almost alone while Europeans retired from history.

F__ Them and their lefty admirers.


17 posted on 04/09/2010 5:55:17 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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The fact is that Europe in it’s elitist snobbery detests the fact that their very existence is owed the a free and strong Capitalist and nuclear United States.

Their brand of socialism would never have survived if they had to defend themselves economically and militarily against the Soviets.

Their progressive and politically correct excursions in socialist form is now on the edge of bringing their system to ruin and the Muslim hoards will pick at the remnants.

America, if unwilling to turn, will fade and become unable and unwilling to help them!! The world will of course desend into chaos.


18 posted on 04/09/2010 6:03:09 AM PDT by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

The Muslims are going to rape Europe if they haven’t already.


19 posted on 04/09/2010 6:09:24 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Kaslin

It’s called Euro-peon-izing


20 posted on 04/09/2010 6:11:12 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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