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Then cap and trade, then amnesty, etc. By the time they're done, the Tea Party will be everybody but the 10% hard left.
1 posted on 04/07/2010 3:11:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Funny that the people whining about this the loudest probably don’t pay ANY federal income tax.


34 posted on 04/07/2010 3:27:23 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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Knowing liberals - it won’t be a “VAT” in place of income tax - it’ll be a VAT PLUS income tax. What was that promise Obama made about not raising taxes on those making less than a certain amount. I’ll bet the New York Times has already forgotten he ever made such a promise...


35 posted on 04/07/2010 3:27:35 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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President Body Odor is stinkin up the joint.


36 posted on 04/07/2010 3:28:07 PM PDT by Danae ( The sleeping Giant is awake)
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NY has two open Senate seats and there is still no Republican running for either seat? These people vote Dem and they expect the Dems will stop trying to take everything they have?


37 posted on 04/07/2010 3:28:26 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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Are campaign “donations” subject to the VAT?


38 posted on 04/07/2010 3:28:41 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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Damn VATscists.


40 posted on 04/07/2010 3:29:23 PM PDT by SoCalConstitutionalist
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Do it then cap and trade see how far they can push?


41 posted on 04/07/2010 3:30:16 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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If enacted, this will absolutely kill businesses (with even more massive layoffs) and spending by most everyone will come to a screeching halt. Predictions are for $4.00 a gallon gas by summertime. Combine that with the VAT, amnesty, cap and trade (extremely higher utility bills) and people will be so on-the-edge. or pushed over it.


42 posted on 04/07/2010 3:30:25 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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Keep in mind that the National Retail Sales Tax (NRST) component of the FairTax legislation (HR 25) is a RETAIL only sales tax and is not a VAT.

The FairTax abolishes the IRS tax code (every federal tax, income, cap gains, business profits, everything) in toto and requires repeal of the 16th Amendment within 7 years.

Again the FairTax ‘removes’ all taxes that accumulate business-to-business (B2B) in the production and supply chains and then ‘replaces’ them at the ***retail end*** with an NRST.

So the FairTax is not and cannot ever be a VAT. Keep that in mind as we move forward to repeal the 16th Amendment, we will need the FairTax to fund government.

This will become a larger issue as peoople gradually learn that it is the 16th Amendment by which the courts will reluctantly uphold Obamacare, hence we need to repeal it.

As this issue gets broadcast, do not allow the Left to blur and confuse the distinction between a VAT and the FairTax.

More info that the FAIRTAX IS NOT A VAT is found here (6th caret item from bottom):

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq_answers


43 posted on 04/07/2010 3:30:36 PM PDT by Hostage
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We do need new taxes but we dont need a vat or a sales tax. wha twe need is a tax on the people who got us into this mess.We need taxes on news print. FcCC licenses and network agreements with affiliates should be taxed as property. Taxes also on legal profits by lawyers. Taxes on Berkenstocks, tied dyed shirts. Also taxes on entertainement royalties and every other tax we can think of on the people who gave us this mess.


45 posted on 04/07/2010 3:32:15 PM PDT by bilhosty (Don' t tax people tax newsprint)
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I’m sure DemocRAT congressmen will want to vote on this in the time left before the midterm elecitons.


47 posted on 04/07/2010 3:35:02 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0&.v=1

This will give you all the warm and fuzzy’s.....

48 posted on 04/07/2010 3:35:50 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Throw them out! Then, Impeach the Punk!


50 posted on 04/07/2010 3:45:38 PM PDT by RedMDer (0 = one D Ten T : Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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But don’t you see, the tax is being paid by all those rich manufacturers, it is not being directly levied on the individual. Now if those greedy capitalist manufactures, pass on the tax to the consumer it is NOT Obama’s fault!

(Just trying to be ahead of the MSM in their justification of why the VAT won’t violate Obama’s ‘pledge’ not to raise taxes on those earning less than $250K or was it only $200K per year)


54 posted on 04/07/2010 3:54:53 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Commie Obami won't do it before the 2010 elections and will call the idea ridiculous but right after the elections he'll try to push it through and the MSM will endorse it full force.
59 posted on 04/07/2010 4:01:57 PM PDT by tobyhill
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Jose Barro, an economist for the Manhattan Institute, told CBS 2 HD that the vat might work if the government agreed to reduce personal income and corporate taxes at the same time.

Did any of you guys see a turnip truck? I was riding in the back, minding my own business, when we hit a bump, and bam! I was throwed clean off.

61 posted on 04/07/2010 4:04:40 PM PDT by fhayek
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The professional criminal class (aka Bureaucrats & Congress) looks at the VAT and drool for a singular important reason - WHO WILL EVER NOTICE A .25% INCREASE IN A VAT RATE? Every time we go to the store, we are liable to see a change in one or more of the items that we buy - who will notice if the change [up] results from a VAT increase ESPECIALLY if the MSM does not publicize it because they see the funds going for the "common good"?

Having TWO SYSTEMS of NATIONAL TAXATION allows the skilled politician to whipsaw the public and electorate by lowering one while increasing the other and vice-versa. My personal vote - - - H E Double Hockey Sticks NO!

63 posted on 04/07/2010 4:08:00 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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Jose Barro, an economist for the Manhattan Institute, told CBS 2 HD that the vat might work if the government agreed to reduce personal income and corporate taxes at the same time.

And what's to stop the government from increasing personal income and corporate taxes once the VAT is in effect? NOTHING! Invariably those tax rates would increase later, so promising to reduce them in return for instituting a VAT is ridiculous on its face.

66 posted on 04/07/2010 4:17:17 PM PDT by vrwc1
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on the one hand... I am against any more taxes... on the other hand... I kind of like the idea that the poor will pay more in taxes, since they are getting a free ride at the moment.
68 posted on 04/07/2010 4:23:14 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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I am totally against any VAT especially the so-called ‘Fair Tax’ (liberals love it!)

When you tax everything and then give a ‘rebate’ to people who make less than X, all democraps have to do is promise a bigger and bigger cut to people who make less than X or adjust X until they get 51% of the vote.

The ‘rebate’ would be your yearly government paycheck and primary reason for voting yourself a bigger one each year

God expects 10% the government should expect no more

10 across the board- for everyone AND a balanced budget amendment.


69 posted on 04/07/2010 4:23:20 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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