Posted on 04/05/2010 3:13:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
It is the predictable de-evolution of a discussion.
Oh, I said evolution, I’m going to burn in hell.
Wait...saying that maybe some abortions might not be murder means I’m going to burn in hell...
But but but....Saying that the Son of God isn’t God puts me in hell...omg....oh noes!
Here’s the clincher...Sarah Palin isn’t perfect!
And I’m losing sleep over it. Wait. I haven’t gone to bed yet.
Abraham ate with the Lord prior to the destruction of the cities of the plain.
Abraham saw the Lord when he ate with Him. And conversed and even negotiated.
That doesn’t make your “invisible” doctrine seem so cut-and-dried now, does it?
Is that just your way of acknowledging that you don't have any Biblical references to support your denial of the Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ?
NONE of these made-up doctrines make any sense.
Say what you will about Joseph Smith, but at least he had the good sense to fabricate another book to explain away his inconsistencies.
I’ve been advised to protect my pearls.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Col 1:15 (Jesus) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Your argument isn't with me it is with the Bible. It isn't my doctrine that God is invisible, it is clearly and unambiguously stated word for word...God is invisible.
You say Jesus is God and the Bible CLEARLY states the God is invisible so it is on you to tell us exactly where the Bible is wrong and you are right.
By whom? Why are you so afraid to tell us what religious group you belong to?
Have you read the verses that follow this? They DESTROY your assertion. The colon is there for a reason. (This is from the KJV to keep things consistent.)
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Colossians 1:16-17
The bible clearly says that Abraham ate with the Lord, conversed, and bargained with Him. It’s an EVENT fully recorded.
Are you saying the story is a lie?
Or are you saying you do not have the courage to “RIGHTLY DIVIDE the Word of Truth?”
You will deal with this, or we will all know that you are blowing smoke.
Jhn 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Interesting that Jesus' enemies don't think he is God, they knew he wasn't and that he wasn't claiming to be God. They knew he was claiming to be the Son of God, the Christ, the Messaiah, and that claim threatened them greatly.
Jhn 9:11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
The blind man was there personally and knew Jesus was a man.
Jhn 19:5 Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And [Pilate] saith unto them, Behold the man!
Pilate was a first hand witness and called Jesus a man.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Peter knew Jesus to be a man.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Paul declared Jesus a man.
1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Yes, I use this verse a lot because it says so much and if one won't believe this verse they really won't believe any other verses IMO.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
If one believes that Christ was a man that came in the flesh, then one is of God. If one doesn't...Seems to me that claiming that Jesus is God is denying that he came in the flesh!
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
It seems that even by the time John wrote these letters that people were already confusing God and Christ and John tries to set the record straight that Jesus is Jesus, a fleshly man, and God is his father. Those who see and understand the distinction are viewed differently than those who don't see or understand the difference.
I honestly figured that y'all knew enough about the Bible to understand the concepts without me having to quote the verse. I was wrong, y'all don't know the Bible well enough at all as evidences by denying that Jesus was tempted and denying that God is invisible. Wow. I'm astonished.
I am not going to list all the places where God calls Jesus his son or all the places where Jesus calls God his father. I've done enough spoon feeding.
Deal with the story of Abraham or admit you don’t have the guts to do so.
Throwing up a bunch of cut and pasted verses means nothing.
Is the story of Abraham and the Lord a lie?
Obviously whatever religious background Eagle Eye has, it is a source of embarasent and shame. Based upon his grossly heretical theology, I'd have to say I can sympathize with his shame.
It is truly shameful that you do not realize that God Almighty was referred to as Lord over and over and over in the Old Testament. OMG, children understand that!
Honest question: What do you know about figures of speech? How many in the Bible can you identify? Do you know when you are reading them? Anthropomorphism? Metaphor? Hypocatastasis? Asyndeton? Polysyndeton?
If one doesn't understand when one is reading a figure of speech, and they don't all appear in the English, then one won't know when one is reading something that is not literal but figurative in order to emphasize something.
For instance, do the clouds literally cry? Does the ground literally drink water? Do trees literally clap? Does God, who is spirit, have literal hands? Is the word literally seeds?
Do each of my questions require an individual answer? No, they are illustrative.
You are ducking the Bible by discrediting my past.
My past is irrelevant and not the focus on this no matter how hard you try to make it such.
Simply put, you really don't want to believe the Bible and are trying to find something in my past to justify your disbelief.
Your actions are similar to those who refused Jesus because they thought he was just a carpenter's bastard son.
And no, I'm not comparing myself to Christ, and I know that is where you're going next LOL.
FIGURE OF SPEECH
That's how you deal with it???? That's the best you've got?
That's not deceived, EE, that's just plain ignoring the evidence before your very eyes....IGNORING THE EVIDENCE = IGNORANCE.
I admittedly don’t get the flow here. What is your point about “Lord”? Odd you make a point about that, then use OMG, which is an acronym for a common violation of the third commandment.
Have you read Hebrew long? I’ve been reading it for about 35 years. Narrative style and poetic style are far from impossible to distinguish. What in the Hebrew text of Genesis 18 do you find as markers that it is other than a narrative? I’ve found none.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:11)
And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not;I am the first and the last,: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (Rev 1:12-18)
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (Rev 21:6-7)
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. (Rev 22:12-13)
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Rev 22:20)
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And that is why it is called "The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ"!!!
Are you serious about not understanding that the word "Lord" in the Old Testament referred to God Almighty?
C'mon, let's discuss this at a level above 3rd grade Sunday School, ok?
The word Lord = Jehova and that does not equal Jesus Christ.
One would think that you would understand that God Almighty was referred to as Jehova over and over and over again....The Lord of hosts, the Lord healer, the Lord provider, etc etc etc.
Facepalm!
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