Posted on 03/21/2010 10:07:07 AM PDT by LdSentinal
I think that if I were to draw a flow chart for that, it would come out looking like Celtic knot
The Stupak plan has worked brilliantly. He has made himself very well know as a “pro-life” democrat bulwark. Once gaining that noteriety, he has sold out to the party with a fine cover.
The people are sluts — whore is too nice a word, whores get real pay.
You know KC, I normally agree with you. This time I really REALLY agree with you. We are not ones to normally name call but if the shoe fits.
If he has gone to the dark side because he trusts this fix, then he is the dumbest guy in congress
Thanks for granting me my moment of inteperance. I misstyped “These people” and typed “The people...” but I guess my feelings were obvious. I have been over on the live thread and watching CSPAN.
I better go to the pharmacy and get my blood pressure bill refill.
You came through loud and clear. Please keep that pressure under control...we need you!
Yellow Rose of Texas says hi. We’re ranting on the phone as I type.
Yellow Rose of Texas says hi. We’re ranting on the phone as I type.
Krauthammer predicted this a month ago. He said that the democrat hold-outs would cave in, basically because that’s what democrats do. I never really had any doubt that he was correct. That IS what democrats do.
It’s also what Rinos do. It is what makes Romney so dangerous.
I guarantee you that if a (God forbid) President Romney had a supermajority in both houses and a bill to sign revoking national health care that he would NOT sign it.
No matter what anyone says at this point, I believe the only way to turn this back is to have the Supreme Court declare it unconstitutional. Since they didn’t use reconciliation, the only constitutional argument they have is the forcing of Americans to buy something.
One democrat pointed out last night that the commerce clause has already been used to force us to buy things. I don’t know what those things are. Does anyone have any idea?
Seatbelts? Helmets? Car insurance? I don’t think so. I think those are all state.
What?
You lawyers: what is the argument regarding unconstitutionality? Who has standing to advance it? How STRONG of an agument is it?
The same question occurred to me. How did we get into the current situation where it's customary for employers to offer health insurance? Wasn't there some Federal mandate for employers of a certain workforce size either to offer it or pay a tax? This isn't quite the same because the commerce clause can be used here to involve the employers because their businesses are "deemed" to touch interstate commerce. Also the employee can choose to skip the insurance without any penalty.
Saudi Arabia.
Wouldn’t make sense for them to want to diminish the USA. After all who’s going to buy their oil?
>> America.....was a great idea while it lasted.
While I understand the despair, I want to underscore that you don’t speak for me.
Health insurance used to be bait offered to good employees to either hire on with a particular company or to stay with their company. It was a recruiting and retention tool.
If you think about it, there’s absolutely no more logical reason why an employer should have to pay for healthcare for an employee any more than an employer would have to buy an employee a company car.
It became a common “benefit”, and somehow over time people began to think that employers were obligated to provide a health plan.
The truth is that employers always should have been finding ways to financially reward employees rather than offering benefit packages. With that higher salary, they would have then had the option to buy their own health insurance or whatever they felt was more important to them.
I’ve no doubt that huge pools of health insurance money resulted in a cycle of health cost increases. Providers saw the huge pile of money and began raising rates to make sure it all got spent since it was there anyway. That made insurance companies raise their rates that made providers raise their rates that made insurance..... vicious cycle.
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