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WHEN GREEN KILLS
National Review ^ | 9 March 2010 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/08/2010 9:25:50 PM PST by JLS

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To: HiTech RedNeck

Vapor barriers should be installed with fear and trembling. What happens depends on the particular climate and building, but it’s often nothing good. “Absolute” vapor barriers like foil and poly sheeting are much more likely to cause problems.


21 posted on 03/08/2010 9:56:56 PM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Don’t get me wrong. Tight, well-insulated, well-ventilated structures are always best.

What causes problems is changing one or two elements and not working thru how they will affect everything else. Change one part of any system and it can affect other parts, often in unpredictable ways.

I’ve seen beautiful century-old victorian homes that had been neglected for decades but despite this were still structurally sound begin to literally rot away within two years of being refurbished, insulated and caulked.


22 posted on 03/08/2010 10:00:34 PM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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To: JLS

Mark Steyn is brilliant. He’s also one of the funniest people I’ve ever read or heard. He has a wonderful sense of the ridiculous that he uses to pour cold water over the leftists’ ideas.


23 posted on 03/08/2010 10:01:27 PM PST by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: mlocher
Of course, there is no money to be made in that, so green products are more costly.

The best possible proof of your assertion is Green Mountain Energy -- a Texas wind energy firm founded by the Wyly Brothers.

Green Mountain Energy runs a windfarm or two out in West Texas, which feed into the grid. Since Texas is a deregulated state, Green Mountain thus has the right to sell energy to any customer in the state.

Since "green" is "good", Green Mountain's rates are the highest in the state. Nonetheless, the enviro-conscious sign up to pay a higher utility bill -- because it's good for Mother Earth (and their own self-esteem).

Green Mountain has been so successful that, in fact, they sell more electricity than they generate.

Where does this additional electricity come from? They buy it from conventional power producers -- at its wholesale cost. Then, they sell it at their inflated "green" cost.

In my opinion, this makes the Wyly Brothers "smart operators". But what does it make their customers...???

24 posted on 03/08/2010 10:18:55 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

It’s like the Prius buyers who poison the environment with their batteries.


25 posted on 03/08/2010 10:40:46 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: okie01

Like Wile E. Coyote who can never catch the Roadrunner?


26 posted on 03/08/2010 10:52:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Sherman Logan

“What causes problems is changing one or two elements and not working thru how they will affect everything else.”

There was a class action lawsuit some years back about a kind of “stucco” that supposedly could be applied to your home sealing everything and never need painting. Unfortunately nothing “breathed” and there were many problems when applied to homes in damp climates.

Illustrating (once again) that one size does not fit all and that cetralization and top down decision making is bound to fail or as Thomas Sowell says: experts don’t have as much information as all the rest of us.


27 posted on 03/08/2010 10:54:48 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: okie01

I’d also have to ask how the heck they managed to get themselves in this middleman position. Why couldn’t I just create a virtual entity that generates no electricity and be a middleman too? I could even make it sound nice by saying 5% of the proceeds are donated to breast cancer research (or whatever).


28 posted on 03/08/2010 10:56:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Why couldn’t I just create a virtual entity that generates no electricity and be a middleman too?

You've got to put something into the grid before you sell anything out of it.

There are several producers who built just a single power plant so they could compete in the entire Texas market.

29 posted on 03/08/2010 11:00:27 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

Bizarre. I wheel in my Coleman generator and there I am.


30 posted on 03/08/2010 11:02:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Bhoy
There was a class action lawsuit some years back about a kind of “stucco” that supposedly could be applied to your home sealing everything and never need painting. Unfortunately nothing “breathed” and there were many problems when applied to homes in damp climates.

What you're (probably) talking about is EIFS (Exterior Insulation and Finishing System).

Its story is complicated. It was developed in Europe for refinishing masonry buildings and then brought to the US and installed over frame buildings, a classic example of changing one element in a system without thinking thru the possible consequences.

In its original form it tended to cause major problems if not installed absolutely perfectly, which of course it seldom was.

The newer versions, which have a drainable air space between the stucco and the sheathing, take these factors into account and actually work beautifully. But of course the whole idea has been tainted by the problems caused by the original problems.

31 posted on 03/08/2010 11:03:33 PM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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To: Sherman Logan

Yes. I think that is what it was. And I do think it illustrates my point which is that while something worked well in some conditions universal application may not be a good idea.

Thanks for reminder I’d forgotten what it was called.


32 posted on 03/08/2010 11:10:35 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: JLS
Snoopy
33 posted on 03/09/2010 1:27:40 AM PST by Pontiac
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To: JLS
Snoopy
34 posted on 03/09/2010 1:48:05 AM PST by Pontiac
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To: oyez

Let’s not let the communists ruin another good color.

First they stole blue, now green.

Green is good when measured in Greenbacks.

Otherwise it is simply a euphemism for red, communist red.


35 posted on 03/09/2010 4:04:46 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: JLS
Nor was Al Gore able to be up there on every one of California’s 14,000 abandoned wind turbines. They’re not entirely useless, not if you’re an ornithosadist who enjoys seeing our feathered friends sliced and diced by the Condor Cuisinarts.



("ornithosadist"- got to love that Steyn!)
36 posted on 03/09/2010 4:32:49 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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To: okie01
Great story. Thanks for taking the time to share.

Of course, I agree with your implication about Green Mtn's customers. More proof that P. T. Barnum was correct.

37 posted on 03/09/2010 5:59:28 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: JLS

Shh. This is also why free trade is “green,” but don’t tell the Ludites on the left or those here for that matter. It is always “greenest” to make things the most efficient way, ie the way that uses up the fewest resources. That is one thing that free trade promotes.


Actually...it is the Free Traders that are heavily whacked into the Green scheme. Al Gore, the biggest Global Warming hoaxster....is also a Free Trader (he was the point man to pass NAFTA in the 90’s)

Just about all your Global Warming kooks are Free Traders. It is no coincidence that Globalism (Free Trade) and Global Warming all belong to the same Global agenda. And both are pushed and monitored by the United Nations

You Free Traders are the ones subsidizing the Global Warming kooks. Do away with Free Trade/Globalism....and the Global Warming hoax loses its funding. Liberal Free Trader Globalists and Global Warming kooks are cut from the same cloth


38 posted on 03/09/2010 6:04:22 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (National Security begins at the Border)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Sorry but nut jobs are all over the place. A few warmist nut jobs like Gore sometimes give lip service to free trade, but the hard core nuts in the warmist movements are anti corporation, anti free trade nuts too. There are a few anti free trade nuts here who claim not to be warmists, but my view is a nut is a nut is a nut, scratch one and you might find a truther, you might find an anti capitalist, you might find anti protectionists, but they are all cut from the same cloth.


39 posted on 03/09/2010 8:04:18 AM PST by JLS (Democrats: People who wont even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day)
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To: JLS; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...
Thanks for the Ping JLS, I have been a bit busy on my remodel and have neglected my Steyn duties.

Pinging the Steyn list for a timely column.





An additional Steyn column can be found here;

Mark Steyn: Obamacare worth the price to Democrats


On or off, please FReepmail me.

Cheers,

knewshound

knewshounds blog

40 posted on 03/09/2010 8:05:22 AM PST by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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