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Guns for All, Privileges or Immunities for None - The hearings in McDonald v. Chicago promise an...
Reason ^ | March 4, 2010 | Brian Doherty

Posted on 03/04/2010 12:50:14 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 03/04/2010 12:50:14 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Great read even for non-law experts! (like me)


2 posted on 03/04/2010 12:57:11 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: neverdem

Reading the oral argument transcript at the Supreme Court site it would be astonishing of Chicago was upheld.
This is the reason the Socialists need and want to pack the court. It is hard to get around that document.
It was funny to read Bryer choking on Heller.


3 posted on 03/04/2010 12:59:50 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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Heard elsewhere on FR: Obama moves to add three justices to SCOTUS (total of 12) to take control.


4 posted on 03/04/2010 1:06:12 PM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice
Heard elsewhere on FR: Obama moves to add three justices to SCOTUS (total of 12) to take control.

FDR tried it - he wanted to get it to 15. He thought that justices over 70 were too old to get the work done so he wanted to add younger justices to make-up for the old ones.

5 posted on 03/04/2010 1:10:39 PM PST by JD91
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To: pabianice

If zero gets 3 justices, we’re doomed as a country.


6 posted on 03/04/2010 1:11:39 PM PST by bicyclerepair (FR - my online family. From Ft. Lauderdale, Florida)
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To: neverdem
Just noting that were Feldman to encounter a beatdown artist in the public parking garage he would more likely seek to defend himself than just lay there and take it like a man.

I say that because he expressed doubts about a right to self-defense existing ~ but we know better. It exists because rational people do attempt to defend themselves.

7 posted on 03/04/2010 1:26:30 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: neverdem
I'm still reading, but I think the NRA is sharing a bed with the Controlling Gun-Hating Lobby. They want to protect "huntin' rifles" including shotguns. I don't see them aggressively supporting hand guns, AKs, and the like.

The First Amendment does not preclude a person to have a permit or to have any kind of background check or to be limited in conversations. So why should the Second, or the rest of the first Ten?


8 posted on 03/04/2010 2:01:23 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (SPEAK UP REPUBLICANS, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET! IMPEACH OBAMA!)
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I'm still reading, but I think the NRA is sharing a bed with the Controlling Gun-Hating Lobby. They want to protect "huntin' rifles" including shotguns. I don't see them aggressively supporting hand guns, AKs, and the like.

Show me. Heller and McDonald were handgun bans. The NRA had amicus briefs in both. The NRA had oral argument time in McDonald. Here's their fact sheet link about: Semi-Automatic Firearms and the “Assault Weapon” Issue

9 posted on 03/04/2010 2:17:38 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: muawiyah

It is at once refreshing and inspiring to read about all the great people that make up this great country of ours. Here we have a man who at age 76 was looking forward to live out his life in obscurity. It is a wonderful thing that he is the catalyst to foment this case which hopefully results in all of us citizens realizing the safety and surity of the second amendment. This, IMO, is witness that God continues to provide guidance and protection to all who call America home.


10 posted on 03/04/2010 2:26:41 PM PST by tenthirteen
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To: pabianice
Heard elsewhere on FR: Obama moves to add three justices to SCOTUS (total of 12) to take control.

Like the other poster said FDR tried it, and almost started a revolution for his troubles. And he was vastly popular at the time. If Obama tried it with his current popularity he would get a rebellion.

Besides it is the Liberals who rule through the courts. If they establish the precedent of packing the court, the next Republican would simply appoint justices until we could remove every dreadful activist ruling that the progressives have ever imposed on the free people of the United States. He has more to lose by this than we do. Obama is more evil, than he is stupid.
11 posted on 03/04/2010 2:32:59 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: tenthirteen
This, IMO, is witness that God continues to provide guidance and protection to all who call America home.

God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America.

12 posted on 03/04/2010 2:40:07 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

The goa was the only group that asked the Supreme Court to take the “narrow” view on Heller. Thanks for nothing, goa.


13 posted on 03/04/2010 5:35:58 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: GonzoGOP

“Obama is more evil, than he is stupid.”

I honestly have not seen anything to convince me that Obama is not painfully stupid.


14 posted on 03/04/2010 9:48:35 PM PST by jospehm20
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15 posted on 03/05/2010 12:14:04 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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This just in! Scalia just stepped down from the bench an then blew away Ginsberg, Sotomayor, and Breyer with a Walther P99!


16 posted on 03/05/2010 1:24:01 AM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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The goa was the only group that asked the Supreme Court to take the “narrow” view on Heller. Thanks for nothing, goa.

Oh I forgot its ‘ole 2.5, the GOA hating NRA member…

Here is a thread where you spewed your typical, and not very enlightened, rant without listening to a word someone else says… Typical 2.5 whining rant about the GOA.

and here you are in another thread and using your typical whining rant with me… 2.5 gets the real facts and then gets caught in a couple of, well let’s say factual distortions.

...and after getting your butt severely kicked to the curb, you then resorted to distortions, twisting everyone’s words and then out right lying about your actions in attempting to defend your weak bias.

Many people have answered your stupid questions MANY times; you just refuse to see it. Point is if you can’t have an honest debate fighting a common enemy, then do everyone else a favor… stay on the sidelines and argue with yourself, don’t try to distort the focus of this fight.

Every 2A group, no matter what you may think of them should be WELCOMED to the struggle we are facing, many former NRA members, myself included, who definitely have no love for the NRA leadership have been going back into the group because the stakes are so high, don’t let your petty bias cloud the big picture.

AOV sends with warmest regards.

17 posted on 03/05/2010 3:48:54 AM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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Another lame copy and paste post from someone who hasn’t a clue. The truth about the goa hurts, doesn’t it? The only thing the goa has ever done is criticize the NRA and put together some program for CCW laws which they had hated and criticized the NRA for. THE goa DOESN’T WANT TO END GUN CONTROL BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE ANY OTHER PROGRAMS TO FALL BACK ON. THE GOA HASN’T FILED A SINGLE LAWSUIT LIKE THE NRA AND THE SAF.

I also see you never have the guts to defend the NRA when guys like HighlyOpinionated libel them.


18 posted on 03/05/2010 4:04:00 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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Let me tell you something else about Otis McDonald (this 76-year-old man with a wife and eight kids) : If you are lucky enough to meet the guy, you’re going to love him. Really. In about a half hour of conversation, ... the guy was devastatingly charming, in a completely unstudied way. He’s compelling and convincing and real, telling quotidian stories about ... late-night fishing; ...of his life and the role he knows he’s playing in his country’s history. One minute laughing and light, the other giving a sincerely tear-jerking account of the pride and gratitude he feels toward everyone else,
I think I already know Otis McDonald. Maybe not *this* Otis McDonald, but the other 'Otis McDonald's' of the Chicago I knew growing up.

The Otis McDonald who would get up before dawn and go Perch Fishing along Lake Michigan - where white and black fished together, just people fishing. Or the 'Otis McDonald' who stopped a purse snatcher from taking my mom's purse (the snatcher was Black) just because it was wrong and my mom needed help. Or the 'Otis McDonald' my buddies and I met met many times Carp fishing on Saturdays in the 'Dirty 'D' (Des Plaines River), us swapping some beer, or our Carp for their worms. Or even the 'Otis McDonald' who in the 80's asked if I needed help when my Caddy was overheating and I was parked on the street in a not very nice area.

Yes, there were many 'Otis McDonald's' who lived in Chicago. My family and I met a lot of them. And my grandmother who passed away in '63 at 85, told me of the many more 'Otis McDonald's' she met over her lifetime.

So I think I know 'Otis McDonald' of Chicago. And very I'm glad this one is still there.

19 posted on 03/05/2010 4:10:56 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: neverdem

I would for like someone to explain how it matters in a practical sense
whether the case is founded on the “privileges or immunities clause”
or on the “due process of law”.
I do not understand what difference it makes to John Q. Citizen.


20 posted on 03/05/2010 4:22:37 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (Thank you for your contribution. Your comment has been submitted for review.)
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