Senate Leaders decide to go route of "Reconciliation" on health care bill (Source - Politico email)

Email ^ | 3-3-2010 | Politico email

[dforest]

I widh I could say yes, but so far no matter what outrage Obozo imposes, he gets away with.

I remember some Soviet saying that the American people are not hardwired to give up their luxuries and would fold like cheap suits.

So far, he has yet to be discredited.

[avacado]

Thanks!

[mainerforglobalwarming]

Can’t each gop senator do an old- fashioned filibuster? One by one, now until election day each gop senator should filibuster for a day or two to shut down the senate.

[Pietro]

...why can't we repeal it on reconciliation.

Has to be signed by obama to be law.

By 2012 you'll have people suckin' on the new teats and then it'll be over.

Kill it now, kill it dead.

[truthfree]

It can be repealed the same way that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid can be repealed. It isn’t that it’s procedurally impossible to repeal it. The problem is that once entitlement bills become law, it is practically political suicide to attempt to repeal them.

When was the last time you heard a person campaign on a “I’ll get rid of Social Security and Medicare” platform? It will become the same with this bill if it’s passed.

[GailA]

OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

PLEASE ASK THEM TO REPEAL THE BIG NEW FEES in TRICARE for Life, the retired Military over 65 secondary health ins. which they passed in a DOD bill. They promised our Military these benefits, and our Military have earned them.

Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!
Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543

Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins.
(DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake. http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html
Friday, February 19, 2010

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security
http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html
Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460988/posts

SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2462963/posts

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm
Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
Snip The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Snip

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.

[dforest]

Somehow I do not think you can say the same about this bill. It hasn’t been implemented and it will have been passed against the will of the majority. Reconciliation gives this bill zero credibility.

I never say never. If the people feel it is all over, it will be no help to pubbies in November. Remember, no taxpayer funded bennies appear until 2014.

[ATLDiver]

If we’re lucky, we can make sure what they pass has the least amount of effect on us as possible. The time for the republican leadership to step up is long past, if they’re smart they latch onto this popular opposition and ride it but we are talking the stupid party here.

[Recovering_Democrat]

[tired_old_conservative]

“It can be repealed the same way that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid can be repealed. It isn’t that it’s procedurally impossible to repeal it. The problem is that once entitlement bills become law, it is practically political suicide to attempt to repeal them.

When was the last time you heard a person campaign on a “I’ll get rid of Social Security and Medicare” platform? It will become the same with this bill if it’s passed.”

Very true. Republicans may talk about it, but just to the base. They generally back walk it in front of the country. And to be honest, it takes the stars aligning just right to make it even potentially possible. The whole privatizing Social Security failure took a lot of wind out of Bush's sails.

Social Security is a classic. Let's face it—the people like it. You can explain until you're blue in the face why they shouldn't, but they do. So the only change they'll accept is something obviously better, which would be even more expensive.

[who knows what evil?]

Great poster, but check the spelling...

[tired_old_conservative]

The problem they'll run into is the tendency for all this to be reported like a football game. That worked to their advantage when they were momentarily ahead after the big Massachusetts fumble. But now, if the Dems do get this passed, the initial coverage will be all about Obama’s thrilling two-minute drill.

A long way of saying the Republican leadership can't just take it for granted that public opposition will pay off for them. They have to work smart and hard from passage all the way through November to earn that.

[hattend]

You’ve never been in touble?

Well stune my beeber!

[fortheDeclaration]

The House, he said, will first pass the Senate bill after Senate leaders demonstrate that they have the votes to pass reconciliation in the Senate.

Each one is trying to pass the buck to the other so they can blame the failure of health care dying on someone else.

[fortheDeclaration]

We need to change the President as well to do it.

[fortheDeclaration]

If the House passes the Senate bill in full then there is no need for reconciliation... What am I missing here?

You are correct.

What the Senate Democrats are doing is trying to woo some Democrat House members to vote on the Bill with the promise that 'problems' will be addressed in Reconciliation.

But the Bill would be Law even if Reconciliation didn't happen.

[hattend]

Each one is trying to pass the buck to the other so they can blame the failure of health care dying on someone else.

It's the Obama way

[avacado]

Thanks!

[fortheDeclaration]

You are exactly correct.

And claiming that they hoped that Reconciliation would fix the Bill won't save them in Nov.

[who knows what evil?]

I generally don’t care much for ‘spelling police’, but I would hate for the creator of this slick poster to be denigrated by the foaming moonbats over this; and we know damn well that is the avenue they would pursue...”what a stupid poster...he/she can’t even spell...”.