Posted on 02/26/2010 5:52:58 PM PST by roses of sharon
No adult of any religion who targets and murders children should get away with it.
I disagree. Kurds is a classical example of how the US can end up pissing everyone off. Kurds are located in three countries (Turkey, Iraq and Iran) thanks to the borders drawn up by Europeans. If we want to do the right thing, we would support the Kurds but piss off the Turks (we needed them in the Cold War), the Iranians (Shah was our ally until overthrown) and the Iraqis (sort of our outpost against Islamic Iran). If we make any of our allies happy then we piss off the Kurds. The jiff of Paul and Beck is ever since the US became policeman of the world we end up getting involve in complicated historical local fights that span hundreds of years, we will get the blowback from our involvement because sooner or later we piss off one of the parties or all of the parties in the fight. That is one of the reasons our founding fathers wanted the US not to get entangled overseas unless their is a compelling strategic threat or interest. Now this policy is even more valid as our Treasury is drained and facing bankruptcy.
Killing other humans, reagrdless of age, sex, ethnicity, or religion, is part and parcel of Islamic culture.
Always was, always will be.
They may have to battle it out, but it will happen, progress and evolution cannot be stopped.
Be fair. This is far in the past - just evidence of what happened.
Agreed.
However, 1 has to see that the reality is, that we’re “there” now, like it or not. If we were to go back to strict isolationism, it would have to be on a gradual basis, because stopping suddenly is always just pulling the rug out from underneath: it’s disastrous.
In the lead up to the war my liberal peace-nik SIL emailed me an invite to some “candlelight vigil” to “stop the war”, so I emailed her back a link to the site about the Kurdish genocide with rather graphic images of the dead children. It didn’t change her mind, heck she maybe didn’t even go look but hopefully I made my point. She never sent me any more anti-war stuff after that...
Evidence of Saddam’s persecution of Kurds.
Thank you George W Bush.
At least one mass murderer was stopped.
Well I’m going to disagree with you on that. When Michael Jackson died the media earth stood still. Seven soldiers died that same day and there was barely a blip on the media radar about that. Priorities are all screwed up as far as the media is concerned and this is one more item to add to their disgusting behavior...
No that is not true. Islam has a very long history for you to paint it with such a broad brush. The modern incantation of Islam is as much a problem of the artficial borders imposed by England and colonial powers. Sadaam was hardly a devote Muslim. He was a Bathist and only truly sought God as he hung at the end of a rope. If I remember he did not die instantly. Maybe God felt he needed a little more time to remember.
“What is “anfal”?”
I was wondering the same thing, but it gets worse. At first glance, I thought it said ‘anal genocide’. Which I thought would be a very, very painful way to go.
I’ve often wondered what kind of people make up the anti-war types. They can look at the evidence, look at the slaughter, and still not want to stand up to despots. I think we all saw a bit of the mentality the other day when the anti-gun guy said he’d rather his child die then to protect himself with a gun. They really do hate life, their own and everyone else’s.
Not as bad as the panty torture or pouring dribbles of water up a raving lunatic terrorist's nose, though. Just ask congressman Conyers.
Do you know what is in the yellow drums?
Everyone is entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.
Mohammad himself was a desert “merchant”, slave-dealer and raider. He killed people with his own hands. Check out the Koran and the Haddiths with respect to the Islamic view on non-Muslims. Its not very pretty. FORGET anything you have ever read in the Bible or Torah. The latter two books are NOTHING like the Koran.
Islam started out as predatory cult. Most of North Africa down through Ethiopia was Christian, and all of the Middle East, with the exception of areas where there were large resident Jewish populations, at the time of Mohammad. Persia was a Zoroastrian country and Zoroastrianism was a form of monotheism. Even in Arabia itself, there were large numbers of Christian and Jewish Arabs, as well as animist Arabs.
Islam changed all that and it had little to do with peaceful conversion, and everything to do with force and relegation of non-Islamic subject people to an oppressed class, which continues in every Islamic Country today.
Not only did predatory Islamic armies conquer all of Christian north Africa, the non-Islamic Middle East and Iran, they ALSO exterminated or forcibly converted all non-Muslims in the Arabian Peninsula.
All of this was accomlpished a very short time after Mohammad died in 632.
No sooner had the Muslims done this than they invaded Christian Sicily, southern Italy, the Iberian Peninsula (711)and Gaul. They were checked at the Battle of Tours by Charles Martel in 732 ONLY 100 years after the death of their “prophet”.
Check out Tours on a map. Its not far from Paris. It took a long while to drive them back across the Pyrenees altogether and even longer to drive them out of Iberia
(last Islamic city, Granada, fell in 1492).
A great many historians, such as Henri Prienne, feel that the REAL “Dark Ages” were NOT created by invasion of the Roman Empire by Germanic tribes, but by the stranglehold Muslims created in the Mediterranean through piracy and raiding, their stock in trade, which prevented communication between the territories of Western Europe at this time and with Byzantium, the last outpost of Christian Roman Civilization - which was ALSO under continual attack by these people.
Islamic slave raiders and looters remained a problem in the
Mediterranean until well into the 1800’s when western technology gave Christian Europe a military advantage over these people.
Although the Arab Muslims had conquered the Holy Land, they continued to allow Christian pilgrims to visit Holy Shrines there. They probably did this as it was economically beneficial to do so and they regarded Christians as “People of the Book”.
The Crusades were launched as the Holy Land was invaded by savage tribes from Central Asia, the Turks, who were converted to Islam. These people had no tolerance for Christian pilgrims and shut down access to the Holy Sites, attacking Christian pilgrims as well as intensifying the existing Islamic war with Byzantium which still held small territories in the Middle East.
The Crusades were a reaction to the problem of intolerant predatory Islam, not a cause of it, as Muslim historical revisionists would have you believe.
AFTER the Crusades ended, the re-invigorated Turkish Muslims of Anatolia expanded their depredations throughout the Mediterranean world and beyond. Entire islands there were totally depopulated by Islamic Corsairs who enslaved all the residents and sold them in the markets of North Africa and the Middle East. Barbarossa was one of the most notorious of these villains.
At the same time, the Turks continued pressure on Byzantium finally capturing that city in 1453, murdering or enslaving all its inhabitants and destroying all its churches or converting them to mosques, such as the great cathedral of Hagia Sophia, a major shrine for Orthodox Christians, which is now relegated to the status of a Museum.
After conquering Byzantium the Turks overran the Balkans, terrorizing and suppressing the native Christians and sent an army as far north as Vienna, which they unsuccessfully besieged while ravaging the surrounding countryside.
Our own country, in the early 1800’s, we fought a war with the Barbary Pirates because we didn’t pay the ransom other western nations did to protect their ships from attack and their passengers and crews from enslavement by the Islamic States of North Africa.
During this period, not only did the Muslims continue to raid and enslave Mediterranean coastal communities, they also sent their corsairs as far north as Ireland to raid and enslave Europeans all along the western coast of that continent.
Until its military collapse, the Turks regularly imposed a “boy Tax” on their Christian subjects in the Balkans, seizing very young Christian children and training them as professional soldiers - the Janissaries to oppress their own Christian people.
Brutalization of remnant Armenian, Chaldean and Greek population minorities by Turks continued right up to the present. As recently as the 1950’s descendants of Greek settlers who had been living in Anatolia since ancient times, were forcibly expelled from their homes by the Muslim Turks.
All of this is restricted to a list of villainies committed by Muslims in Western Europe, which is a mere sample of the evil this cult has imposed on Humanity. It doesn’t cover atrocities committed in Iran, the Indian Subcontinent, Russia and Ukraine, sub-Saharan Africa and Southeast Asia by these people. There simply isn’t enough enough space here.
Islam is responsible, over its entire period of existence, for more human deaths than the Conquistadors, Genghis Khan or the Roman Empire put together.
Nor are the Taliban or Hamas, or Al Quaida recent anomalies in the history of this death cult. Throughout its long history, Islam had CONTINUALLY sprouted off “radical” hate groups even more intense than the average run of Islamic fanatics and history has ALSO demonstrated that the endemic violence generated by this cult , when not able to release itself against “unbelievers” is perfectly capable of turning inwards and exterminating other Muslim groups - e.e the action of the Wahhabist in Saudi Arabia in recent historical times towards non-Wahhabi Muslims.
So, the period of British Imperialism in the Islamic world was merely brief interlude and in no way corresponds to the kind of activities these people inflicted on non-Muslims throughout history.
Not of every Muslim is, of course, a fanatic dedicated to exterminating unbelievers. But such Muslims are really not true to their faith, their founder and their History, and represent, in my opinion, a small minority.
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