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Austin plane crash exposes gap in US air security
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Posted on 02/19/2010 7:38:33 PM PST by LouAvul

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To: Tolsti2

“I *personally* don’t think the hobby of it is worth the risk.”

What makes you think that flying is a “hobby”? I fly because I can get to Memphis flying at 140 knots, quicker than commercial aviation flying at 430 knots.

You are right...us right winger pilots can douse you with Agent Purple. We will turn you into Bawny Fwanks, da puple dinosa.


81 posted on 02/19/2010 10:21:54 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Tolsti2
Don't be mad at people who fiercely defend their rights. On the subject of an effective vehicle for bio WMD, you're wrong about GA.

A bio WMD if it comes will be by commercial airline from an infected carrier. The spread of the H1N1 virus is a good example.

Chem or Nuclear WMD will due to weight most likely be brought in by commercial carrier (ship/air/truck).

GA will help to meet the needs of the country in times of peril as is currently planned.

82 posted on 02/19/2010 10:24:23 PM PST by Errant
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To: Tolsti2
Bad old airplane fall down out of sky and go boom! Me call big nanny state to rub boo-boo and stop mean airplanes!

What statist tripe!

You said you were against General Avaition because it was only for the bored wealthy.

That is Socialist class warfare right out of Marx and you outed yourself! Go back to DU!

83 posted on 02/19/2010 10:27:31 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Errant
I'm very unsure of your weight ideas when it comes to chem/bio. I also kinda doubt that Cessna's will be doing much good in a major emergency. Nuclear you're right, impossible for now on GA.
84 posted on 02/19/2010 10:28:00 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
GA isn't just Cessna's. You really ought to take a look at the video I linked. It will educate you at least on the many different types of aircraft involved in GA and the huge percentage that that GA plays in providing service to the 17,000 US airports 70% of which the airlines do not service.

Look at Haiti for the most recent example of the role GA played in supporting emergency relief operations.

85 posted on 02/19/2010 10:36:00 PM PST by Errant
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To: Tolsti2

Tell me more, as I recall “low and slow” over New Orleans calling in coordinates for Coast Guard helicopters to rescue rooftop survivors from Katrina.


86 posted on 02/19/2010 10:36:37 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Tolsti2

I also kinda doubt that Cessna’s will be doing much good in a major emergency
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Why do you make that statement?

The Citation X is the fastest civilian aircraft in the sky, cruising just shy of the sound barrier at Mach .92. To date, Citation Xs have flown the equivalent of four trips to the sun. They’ve taken off and landed approximately 1 million times. And every day, their average duration in the air is the highest in the entire Citation fleet. Clearly, the X has earned its distinction as one of business aviation’s busiest, best and all-time favorite aircraft.
http://www.cessna.com/citation/citation-x.html

It’s beautiful!

Cessa makes many planes, I don’t know why you think they wouldn’t be of any help.

Check out the new Mustang—fairly affordable, too.
http://www.cessna.com/citation/mustang.html


87 posted on 02/19/2010 10:37:36 PM PST by Irenic
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To: Tolsti2

I forgot to say I volunteer with the Air Force Auxiliary, Civil Air Patrol.


88 posted on 02/19/2010 10:39:27 PM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Errant

There’s no doubt it does a lot of good, but is a potential serious risk as well. Moreso than trucks, guns, and so on. WMD level risks.

I hate flying in general, and prefer people just drive. That’s my personal opinion. The people that died from PSA 182, 9/11 and so on. I just think people shouldn’t be in such a hurry to get around, just drive. GA flying isn’t that safe, and commercial causes a lot of deaths on the ground.

Of course there’s good done, but just IMO, it’s possibly not worth it.


89 posted on 02/19/2010 10:40:07 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
I respect your opinion but if you would take a closer look at GA you will find that it isn't as risky as you believe.

Visit your local airport and ask for a training demonstration flight. They're all great folks and I bet you'd really enjoy it as you obviously like a challenge...

90 posted on 02/19/2010 10:56:19 PM PST by Errant
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To: Tolsti2
I just think people shouldn’t be in such a hurry to get around, just drive. GA flying isn’t that safe, and commercial causes a lot of deaths on the ground.

So now we find that you're also a Luddite!

Ten second google found this!

This latest report from Aircraft Crashes Record Office in Geneva, Switzerland tells us that 879 people died from airplane crashes worldwide in 2008.

Compare that with World's Health Organization annual report (released recently) - 1.3 million people die from car accidents every year worldwide!

Yet you think cars are safer! Wow!
91 posted on 02/19/2010 10:58:18 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Errant

I don’t fly commercial, being over 100 times more dangerous than commercial doesn’t help: in 2005 general aviation in the United States (excluding charter) suffered 1.31 fatal accidents for every 100,000 hours of flying in that country, compared to 0.016 for scheduled airline flights.

If they didn’t land on houses, I wouldn’t mine. I knew people in a house in Hill Top Lakes that was burned down, pilot killed when he tried to land at their small airport.

No thanks, I’m not a base jumper or flier. Again, with one, the public isn’t at risk.


92 posted on 02/19/2010 10:59:41 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

The great thing still about America is the ability to follow the pursuit of happiness what ever that might be. I’m sure you have many...


93 posted on 02/19/2010 11:05:34 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

Reasonable people disagree politely. Fanatics call the other a communist and to be banned. I’m sorry so many others on here went on that bandwagon.

I expressed my true feelings. I’m a conservative anti-flier. I’ve heard that you have to be pro-drug legalization to be conservative, and for them I have the same answer.


94 posted on 02/19/2010 11:07:44 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: LouAvul
Government to ban general aviation...

Ya knew this was coming...

Oh well, most of America can no longer afford to take lessons and rent planes anyway.

95 posted on 02/19/2010 11:10:53 PM PST by dragnet2
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Aviation too!


96 posted on 02/19/2010 11:12:02 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Tolsti2

Honest, wholesome debate built this country and we do all tend to “fly off” the handle of late. Live long, and prosper...


97 posted on 02/19/2010 11:14:11 PM PST by Errant
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To: Tolsti2

I hope you didn’t take my agreeing to “ignorant” as being meant insultingly.

It was meant as:

ig·no·rant: adjective / due to or showing lack of knowledge or training/ lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact : ignorant of quantum physics.

I didn’t agree to stupid or any of that, you’re obviously not stupid...you joined Free Republic. heh

Just wanted to let ya know, I didn’t mean ignorant in an insulting way. If you were insulted—I apologize.

I still disagree with you, though! = P


98 posted on 02/20/2010 12:18:55 AM PST by Irenic
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To: Irenic

Eh, I don’t take it that hard. It’s a bit of a phobia of mine, and I do think it’s somewhat strange to demand a right to fly. However, I think there’s also some good uses, and great pilots that are incredibly responsible.

I know, in the end, personal flying will probably be banned after it’s used multiple times for WMD attacks. It’s just the way I see things.


99 posted on 02/20/2010 12:26:25 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
I know, in the end, personal flying will probably be banned after it’s used multiple times for WMD attacks. It’s just the way I see things

Ya, And I suppose we outlaw all tractor trailers after several drive 30k lbs of TNT into the middle of NY/Chacago/DC and sets it off?

Then of course, be ban the internet as this is the way word gets out?

100 posted on 02/20/2010 2:30:08 AM PST by MrPiper
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