Posted on 02/18/2010 1:39:50 PM PST by TSgt
Edited on 02/18/2010 1:48:02 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Could be. They have a history of using hypothetical inflation to justify all the stupid moves they've made.
I dont believe that Bernake can squeeze the huge excess of money out of the economy by small steps like this over a long period. They also want to monetize the debt to help pay if off, so the guys at the top want inflation to some extent, but they wont be able to control the beast in the long run. It is going to be ugly.
The best way to combat inflation is with economic growth, which is the exact opposite of Fed philosophy. The big pile of money out there is not too much to worry about as long as the velocity of money is so low. Look at Japan for the past 20 years.
There is a ton of savings though, which is why savings rates are down, so there is liquidity available but no one is borrowing it and nobody is spending because of the job situation.
Maybe not. I don’t know. You are probably right.
If interest rates continue to rise in the forthcoming months, it should drive down the price of gold. Emphasis on “should” though; as the Fed has likely underreported inflation by 5-10% (which could be a corrector keeping gold at its current price).
But you originally said the price of gold would be going down. Why would you want to buy gold if the price is going to be going down?
Why aren’t people using their savings to stop their foreclosure?
There is no liquidity in the marketplace. Small businesses can’t get loans. Consumers can’t get credit cards. Banks are not lending.
How do you raise rates into this environment.
Hey, don't take my word for it. I'm just guessing too. But, I think it's only just before 0700 in Japan right now.
The Fed is crapping their drawers.
You don’t raise rates with 10% unemployment (really 20%), falling M2 money supply and multi-trillion dollar debts in a deflationary environment.
I suppose I wasn’t clear. I’m not going to buy gold at the current price. I will wait for it to drop following interest rate increases - subsequently buying at a significantly lower price.
Note - this is NOT the Fed funds rate, but the discount rate.
The federal funds rate is the interest rate that banks charge other banks when lending money to them.
The federal discount rate is the interest rate that the Fed charges banks when it lends the bank money. This amount is higher than the Federal Funds Rate so it’s used as a last resort for banks needing some cash to boost their reserves.
Fed cited ‘improving financial conditions’ for raising the discount rate.
Wow, the Fed really pulled a fast one here after hours.
Wall Street will not like this. The Fed Funds rate will be next, this is the warmup.
I agree. For all of the theoretical money the Fed has injected, there is no liquidity. 16% unemployment and tight lending does not produce inflation.
This move is almost sinister.
I’m guessing the market opens down 120 then rebounds slowly, and then plummets at about 2...closing down 225...
or, as rational as the market is, it will be up 200 lmao.
Is there a ton of savings, or has there been an increase in the savings rate? I believe (although I'm no expert) it's the latter and not the former.
I think liquidity has been and continues to be problematic, not just for the economy, but for the consumer as well. Like I said, I could be wrong.
We’re doomed!!!
The Fed holds about the same amount of Treasuries they did 2 years ago.
The Bond Vigilantes have been screaming for the Fed to do something!
Sometime when you raise a rate like this (think home buyers that have been waiting to buy)you spur borrowing as people decide to act before they go higher. In essence you’re flushing out the buyers. We shall see if they’re out there.
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