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JD Hayworth says Obama birth certificate an 'identity theft' issue
bvw | 16 February 2010 | bvw

Posted on 02/16/2010 8:48:41 AM PST by bvw

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To: tired_old_conservative

Indeed, T.E. Lawrence was a hero of our war effort in WWI, as well as being a brilliant writer. He was indeed a “dreamer of the day” and a dangerous man because of it, for he sought to bring his dreams into reality. It was the sentiment of the quote that caught me, not its authorship. But he was indeed a brilliant writer, this is my favorite thing he wrote.

“I loved you, so I drew these tides of men into my hands
and wrote my will across the sky in stars
To earn you Freedom, the seven pillared worthy house,
that your eyes might be shining for me
When we came.

Death seemed my servant on the road, till we were near
and saw you waiting:
When you smiled, and in sorrowful envy he outran me
and took you apart:
Into his quietness.

Love, the way-weary, groped to your body, our brief wage
ours for the moment
Before earth’s soft hand explored your shape, and the blind
worms grew fat upon
Your substance.

Men prayed me that I set our work, the inviolate house,
as a memory of you.
But for fit monument I shattered it, unfinished: and now
The little things creep out to patch themselves hovels
in the marred shadow
Of your gift.”

T.E. Lawrence


121 posted on 02/16/2010 2:30:36 PM PST by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: noiseman
RE: Beck It just amazes me that he doesn't see his hypocrisy on this

Alinsky. I think its an act, for whatever reason. He could just remain quiet. Instead ridicules. Anyone with common sense can see something is amiss. We can think on our own. why the insults.

122 posted on 02/16/2010 3:11:52 PM PST by opentalk
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To: sometime lurker

Would you happen to know whether “Protected Health Information” would apply to a patient who is deceased? In this case the mother is deceased and the child is living. I’m guessing that the information about the mother would be information about the child, hence forbidden. Oh well....


123 posted on 02/16/2010 3:22:39 PM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: tutstar

Double bump.


124 posted on 02/16/2010 6:28:51 PM PST by mcshot (Little leagues, 4H and scouts require more ID then the Dems Pre_sent has submitted.)
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To: bvw
I am fairly sure that the name of the primary attending medical person attending and assisting in a birth is an long established piece of public health information and thus exempt from HIPAA, just as it is for death certificates.

HIPAA caused big changes in some long established customs. I've not seen anything making such an exemption. If you have a link to an exemption for the delivering physician, I'd like to see the citation.

125 posted on 02/16/2010 6:42:48 PM PST by sometime lurker
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To: Genoa
Would you happen to know whether “Protected Health Information” would apply to a patient who is deceased?

A good question. The AMA's HIPAA page says HIPAA applies to deceased patients.

126 posted on 02/16/2010 6:48:19 PM PST by sometime lurker
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To: al baby

I’m saving that one.


127 posted on 02/16/2010 6:51:48 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Hey you noble leftists. If what you are doing is worth anything, it should be worth saying out loud.)
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To: allmendream

Yes, I didn’t mean exchange. I plead temporary brain death on that one.

I’m one of those many: I suspect, but without any actual affirmative evidence.

*shrug* Maybe it is simply pith-poor grades...


128 posted on 02/16/2010 7:09:59 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 390 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: bvw

obumpa


129 posted on 02/16/2010 7:35:05 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: LucyT

Wow! This will get ole’ Beck and his twin O’Stupid on him.


130 posted on 02/16/2010 8:18:24 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: tired_old_conservative

Troll. You don’t have a single, solitary clue, although you deem yourself one of the great elites.


131 posted on 02/16/2010 8:25:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah
“Troll. You don’t have a single, solitary clue, although you deem yourself one of the great elites.”

Sorry. This one is neither great nor elite and has no pretensions to either. I come from pure peasant stock who said grace over some pretty meager fare by modern standards. But they respected rational thought, and I remain grateful for it all.

132 posted on 02/16/2010 8:40:41 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

The tired old canard that anyone concerned with homosexuality must be a closeted homosexual is just that - a tired old canard.


133 posted on 02/16/2010 9:27:30 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: rxsid
Of course, rsxid, you've provided the complete story. Having seen the interview I think Hayworth was busy trying to avoid the obvious entrapment ploy and came off the worse for it. He now sounds a bit like virtually all the Republicans attempting to avoid the derision of Alinsky-trained media operatives. He should not have avoided the question. Hayworth should know the definition of natural born citizen and should have asked the interviewer whether the son of an alien is constitutionally eligible. There have been discussions about amending the Constitution to include foreign-born children of diplomats and military personnel, but never about permitting the children of one or two aliens to be president.

If we are a nation of the people, we are entitled to ask if there is any evidence that this officeholder is constitutionally qualified. That most in the media have seen fit to respond to the question with avoidance would tell anyone with parental experience that the questionees are avoiding the issue by using derision. Our Constitution is clear in requiring a natural born citizen for president and our supreme court has repeated the definition a dozen or so times and cited its source,Vattel’s Law of Nations, at least five times. Our Courts, according to John Marshall, have an obligation to address a direct constitutional violation. That is the circumstance when the Supreme Court needn't be just the final appeals court. We have a right to ask, and a chief justice's opinion that the court must address the question. If J.D. doesn't understand our Constitution, and starts his campaign by pretending a provision doesn't say "born in the country of citizen parents", he should not be confirmed as senator - though I have no doubt that he would be preferable to McCain.

Obama is helping to expose all those who are afraid to speak the truth. Unfortunately, and perhaps by design, Hayworth may just have been exposed as another opportunist who doesn't appreciate that our freedom depends upon defending our foundation of laws. We have time to find someone for Arizona who does. But if our legislators don't begin to understand that many of us consider our Constitution the key future happiness, Obama's ineligibility may be as big a liability to Republicans as to Democrats. That too may be for the better, since we may replace all our legislators along with nullifying every one of Obama's political actions. Legislators who place their job security above their oath of office do not serve the people.

134 posted on 02/17/2010 7:10:41 AM PST by Spaulding
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To: noiseman

I agree. I’ve stopped listening to Levin and Beck because pursuing the Constitutional eligibility question is beyond them. I feel it is the most important issue we can pursue as we have a usurper hell bent on destroying our Country. If you don’t believe it just watch.


135 posted on 02/17/2010 8:13:46 AM PST by mcshot (Little leagues, 4H and scouts require more ID then the Dems Pre_sent has submitted.)
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To: esquirette
The birth doctor might identify another mother. This would fit in with the Jack Cashill possibility that the real daddy is white (Grandpa Dunham) and the mommy black.

Normally that would not suprise me, at least not too much. BUT, it would make Obama a Natural Born Citizen, and give him even more "street cred" than having a white mother and an African father. So he would not be hiding that.

136 posted on 02/17/2010 9:43:43 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: allmendream
. Second there are those who would say that so long as the father listed is 0bama Sr.; then Obama isn't a natural born citizen based upon that fact alone.

I tend to think that is why he hasn't produced either a short or long form, certified copy that is, in court. It would make his father's identity a legal fact, rather than just hearsay.

137 posted on 02/17/2010 9:57:12 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
It is already a point of legal fact that 0bama Sr. is the father of 0bama. It said so in the divorce decree, even if you think the COLB from Hawaii was fraudulent.

Also there is no statement in U.S. law that demands U.S. citizenship of both parents to be a natural born citizen.

As far as I have been able to ascertain, U.S. law recognizes two types of U.S. citizenship; natural born and naturalized. As there is no record of 0bama ever being naturalized as a U.S. citizen, he is either a natural born citizen or an illegal alien. ;)

138 posted on 02/17/2010 10:10:39 AM PST by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
Also there is no statement in U.S. law that demands U.S. citizenship of both parents to be a natural born citizen.

Of course not. And there cannot be. No law can define a Constitutional term. Wouldn't want them to redefine "arms" or "speach" would you?

As far as I have been able to ascertain, U.S. law recognizes two types of U.S. citizenship; natural born and naturalized.

It's not that simple. The statute law considers those given citizenship at birth by statute to not be "naturalized". But case law does. It has to be that way, because Congress was not delegated any power over "citizenship" other than to provide a "uniform rule of naturalization". Prior to the 14th amendment, the states determined who was a citizen at birth. After that, anyone born or naturalized.

No statute law since 1795 has defined what a "natural born citizen" was. Even that was just an addition, and it was someone born abroard of *two* US Citizen parents.

139 posted on 02/17/2010 10:51:36 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
The multiple SS#s.... a few dozen I believe may be related to Grama Dunham.
She was a banker in Illinois but quit working and became a VOLUNTEER with the County Clerk's Office, Recorders office or some such thing in Hawaii.
I suspect she was taking advantage of seniors who fell in love with Hawaii on vacation and bought vacation properties.
She could file the property under her name and or as her as beneficiary. When they died the family would have one hell of a time trying to sort it out from the mainland.. and even if they did, Hawaii is corrupt... in the 50s it wasn't even a state.

Of course if too many of these ended up in her name it could have been problematic; so putting the properties under a grand son's name/names/aliases with different SS#s would figure in quite nicely.
BeHO probably learned to use this scam to his advantage when filing for multiple school grants or some such shenanigans.

There are real estate records all over the country with apparent BeHO aliases.. including AZ. JD Hayworth is looking into some here in AZ. JD will be defeating John McCain in this falls election. Expect HUGE amounts of Soros monies to be used against JD for this one issue.

I have heard of this sort of real estate scam going on in Alaska. Judge filed old folks estranged from children's property in the judges own name so when the old folks died it was already the judge's property. No new court filings or anything to even pop it up on the legal radar!

BeHO’s family were scum balls on a lot of levels. There is no telling WHO his real biological father and/or mother really is. If Grampa Dunham hung around with Frank Marshall Davis he had to be a perv too. Davis wrote about boinking a lot of white girls on vacation, think Grampa Dunham might have wanted some of that? He could have been trading Ann around and that's what got her pregnant.

Oreilly claims there is no doubt BeHO was born in Hawaii because there were birth announcements in the paper. However if Gramma Dunham worked in the County Clerks office she would have had the forethought to get a foreign born child registered in the U.S. with a certificate of live birth. There are some deep dark secrets here whether they are citizenship issues or not. I suspect BeHO is an unconvicted felon.

140 posted on 02/17/2010 11:16:51 AM PST by warhoop
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