Posted on 02/10/2010 10:30:39 AM PST by GOP_Lady
The power company (at least PG&E) has such in the air right now. The tank, pump and a lance/nozzle a bit longer that the rotor radius installed and in use.
I was amazed the first time I saw one going from tower to tower along the power lines and pausing at each to spray the insulators.
It was like watching a giant hummingbird.
Agreed that it probably would have taken too long even if someone had thought of it the instant the first Tower was struck. Still, perhaps urban fire departments can make arrangements to have access to these choppers in a high-rise emergency.
Too late we got. Too little? We’ll never know. (I hope!)
The next "man-caused disaster" could make these pictures (a classic typical demoncrat legacy) seem incidental.
One thing that has never been played up (and it has always irked me) was that the design of those buildings played a large part into the collapse.
These buildings were not built like a Sears Tower (steel framed), they were built using a span and truss design with concrete poured over a wire mesh for the flooring. This type of construction while giving back a fast build time and lots of floor space, was never intended for such a tall building.
There was a Spanish steel framed skyscraper that completely burned out, and when it was all over the frame was still standing.
I am not saying a Sears Tower could completely burn out and still stand, but if we look at the parts of the WTC that started the collapse, then we are only looking at 15 or so stories where the collapse began, once it started there was no stopping it.
If, God forbid, there is another 9/11 type assault on our shores, there better be a cloud like that over Mecca and Medina.
“Shades of NBC’s copyright on the Virginia Tech killer’s photo package to them.”
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So what we REALLY have here then is the FFA Act- the Freedom From Information Act, in which an elitist, habitually propagandizing organization is allowed a copyright (ownership), on public images which it did not create.
Bottom line is that type of design was never certified for a high rise before or after the WTC’s were built.
I would presume that now that we know they exist, anybody could file the same foia and get the same CDs.
I have never understood why those towers collapsed so easily. Thanks for the explanation.
Someone had to file an FOIA to get them.
What I'm asking is why didn't the owner of the photos release them immediately to the media? In this case NYPD. What other photos do they have that should be public? It's not like there's privacy issues.
A friend of mine, a liberal, says that we all have a much higher risk of being killed in a car crash than being killed by a terrorist - even wearing our seat belts. He says that the WSJ had a decent article about the real risks recently. Some people just don’t get it. It’s not worth it getting an aneurysm trying to get through to liberals about the meaning of 9/11
Thank you for the link,even to this day i am still shocked and angered at the pics.
“A friend of mine, a liberal, says that we all have a much higher risk of being killed in a car crash than being killed by a terrorist”
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Did you say, “Thanks, that really makes me feel a lot better”?
It was on a Facebook status line. I wrote back:
“So, let me get this straight: you’re equating a US citizen who, by their own risk and decisions, takes a drive that might or might not involve a car accident that might or might not kill them with a very thoughtful and analytical murderous mob of terrorists who are plotting the destruction of of Western civilization? More Percodan, please...”
That does have possibilities. Cooling the fire floors, even if the fire was not completely extinguished, would have helped maintain structural integrity by keeping support members cooler, and might (at the least) have bought time for people to get out.
A good steam conversion or fire retardants might have snuffed enough of the fire or bought enough time by cooling structural members to get people above the fire floors out--especially if it could have been achieved.
Not very many had figured on the fire weakening the remaining structural supports (which without the fire would likely have continued to support the structure) to the degree they would no longer support the load above them, either. There were a lot of unprecedented situations there.
As for using the helicopters, it would have been worth a try anyway.
Sooner or later, other high rise fires will occur (whether or not terrorism is involved), and further developing the technology to effectively fight them is a good idea anyway.
Slide show linked here.
My dad was the Purchasing/contract manager for Cresent Erection, who were one of the major contractors on the Sears Tower.
The design and construction of the WTC was controversial even back then. And if I remember correctly the mafia had their hands into the New Yor/Ne Jersey construction and concrete industries back then also.
That is the absolute truth.
Those towers stayed up as long as they did precisely because of the way they were constructed.
Unlike most steel framed framed skyscrapers built around a concrete core which bears the load of the floors, the towers were built like a cage, with the skin bearing the weight of the building. This allowed for clear spans of column free office space, which is precisely why people like to rent that kind of space.
Those jets sliced into the exterior cage, but the strength of the building was such that the weight of the building above the impact was transferred throughout the skin of the building. The building held up until the steel joists holding up the floors, having their fireproofing knocked off of them by the impact of the crash, began to distend in the high heat and come off the bearing plates at the ends of the joists. Once the floors began to pancake, nothing on earth could have stopped the collapse.
That the buildings lasted as long as they did with major areas between floors sliced and fires raging out of control on multiple floors was a miracle.
Normal construction--we would have seen part of the building topple at impact, and a complete collapse within ten to 20 minutes at most.
50,000 people would have died.
As it it turned out, the only folks who died were the ones trapped at or above the impact areas. The rest made it out the exits.
NO HIGH RISE BUILDING could have withstood the horizontal forces of the jets accelerating into them at full fuel loading and the resultant high heat fire more than the World Trade Center.
Having been responsible for high rise facilities, I knew the buildings were mortally wounded, but I was amazed they stayed up as long as they did. That they stayed up in spite of multiple floors being sliced open and losing the vertical loading support of the skin over such a wide area is a testimony to the Towers design and construction.
People who say otherwise just don't understand what really happened.
FReepers are just fantastic. :-)
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