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WHAT JUST HAPPENED WITH GOLD?
The Business Insider ^ | 2-4-2010 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 02/04/2010 9:58:02 AM PST by blam

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To: Robbin

I’m dead serious, I LOVE reloading, find it very relaxing - although I don’t go to the lengths you do! I do clean the brass, check length, hand-weigh each load, etc. I’ve found loads that work for the calibers I use and stick with them - don’t experiment very much. Do very little target shooting except for pistol, and I don’t even reload pistol ammo - just have a few favorite factory loads for self defense. Will settle for the cheaper stuff for plinking although I’m off of Wolf ammo - very suspect QC, too many fliers. Couldn’t be me!! lol


81 posted on 02/04/2010 12:01:26 PM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Nobamamama

Silver doesn’t make good bullets, unfortunately. Too hard in a rifled barrel. Tends to deform and come out squirrely. Will work at close range tho. Make sure the vampires and werewolves are real close. Or make shot and use in your shotgun. Chain works pretty well in a shotshell at close range too.


82 posted on 02/04/2010 12:14:41 PM PST by TStro
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To: panaxanax

But with lead , I can take all your gold .


83 posted on 02/04/2010 12:20:50 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Renegade

>>”But with lead, I can take all your gold.”<<

Enlisting in such a foolhardy act would be met with fierce resistance and would sadly end in your demise.


84 posted on 02/04/2010 12:41:32 PM PST by panaxanax (It's time for TEA Party Patriots to get an 'ATTITUDE'.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
Hah, I thought it looked familiar.
85 posted on 02/04/2010 12:46:30 PM PST by MaxMax (Lets get a sense)
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To: omega4412
Here's a little something that should shake anyone's confidence in a recovery:

On February 1, 2010, President Obama presented his fiscal year 2011 national budget.
Since all the bad housing paper is being off-loaded into Fannie and Freddie, they were excluded from this new budget.Further, those two money-debt monsters have an open checkbook for the next three years to keep buying bad mortgages.
The new budget is $3.8 Trillion US dollars and demands $1.9 Trillion in brand new taxes on the rich and on wealthy businesses.

News like this makes me wish I had money to buy MORE silver.

86 posted on 02/04/2010 12:51:42 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: blam

Not my fault. It was that way before I got here.


87 posted on 02/04/2010 12:52:54 PM PST by steveo (2010 never again)
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To: dennisw
From a news report - "Spanish property developers had combined debt of €324 billion, equivalent to 30% of GDP".

Imagine if not homeowners, but builders in the US had $4.2 trillion in debt against their unsold subdivisions...

88 posted on 02/04/2010 12:54:16 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Of course, it is not actually that bad, since Spain is smaller, the size of a US state rather than the country. But $450 billion in debt to property developers is still a problem. The losses on that debt might be $100 to $200 billion, when it is all liquidated at rational prices for the underlying collateral.

That is a manageable overall scale, still. But whether their banks, government, and the broader authorities of the larger EU bloc, deal with any of it rationally, that remains to be seen. The right thing to do is to simply allocate the loss without delay, recapitalize impaired Spanish banks, and sell off the property underneath in RTC fashion, over something like the next five years. To fund all of that, the Spanish government is going to need to borrow more rather than less. And with the credit markets as they are, they are going to need IMF style austerity measures to float that debt.

The trigger for this whole latest round, by the way, was a failed Portugese government bill auction yesterday. They wanted to sell 500 million Euros in short term bills. Only 300 million were actually taken up, despite large concessions on the yield. Credit swaps on all the peripheral European countries jumped on that news...

89 posted on 02/04/2010 1:00:14 PM PST by JasonC
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To: 13Sisters76

If the collapse is that bad that the gubbermint comes after your gold/silver, you should realize the situation will be extreme enough that you may very well be defending all of your property, not just the metals, with force of arms.

Bet on this: in less than 24 months we are going to see currency controls in this country. i.e. you will not be allowed to move your assets out of the US.


90 posted on 02/04/2010 1:05:34 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: JasonC

From a news report - "Spanish property developers had combined debt of €324 billion, equivalent to 30% of GDP". Imagine if not homeowners, but builders in the US had $4.2 trillion in debt against their unsold subdivisions...

My oblique answer to you ---
These days you have lots of advisers who say homeowners should walk away from mortgages that are underwater
As a justification they talk about the NYC developers  who walked away from Stuyvesant Town development
They walked away from a 5 billion dollar mortgage which is not from one entity but a screwed up mish mash of parties that got in on the deal such as CALPERS
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:iT_kX8A1DFkJ:nymag.com/realestate/features/62880/+billion+stuyvesant&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

As far as Spain that bubble is mostly due to building condominiums and other vacation properties for Northern Europeans mostly from the UK. But lots of Germans and Scandinavians too who could buy cheaply in Spain
Who want to get the sun and sand in their winter
The bubble years said you are a nobody if you don't have a second home or vacation/retirement property

91 posted on 02/04/2010 1:43:02 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: panaxanax

I would use stealth!


92 posted on 02/04/2010 1:46:55 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: dennisw
Sure, Spain is the European sunbelt, its med coast especially. Like Florida for the US, it was overbuilt in the bubble.

As for New York stuff, there it is a different story IMO. The rent control laws are flat crazy and anybody who owns rental residential real estate in New York City is asking to be robbed by communists. It has precious little to do with real estate conditions anywhere else.

As for the scarcely moral advisors telling people to walk, if they just gave the house to the bank as contracted, I'd say "fine". (Does mean name is mud for years and rightly so). But instead, the whining losers run to the gubmint and demand to be allowed to stay without paying, or they just live there for a year in default before the sheriff shows up, or some populist idiot flat won't, or they sabotage houses they can't afford and no longer own, or...

In short the supposedly sainted and victimized American mortgage defaulter on mainstreet is often a piece of horse excrement, and all my sympathies are with their much abused creditors.

93 posted on 02/04/2010 2:00:24 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Renegade

Okay. Now I have to go spend hard-earned money on a new stealth detector! lol.


94 posted on 02/04/2010 2:34:56 PM PST by panaxanax (It's time for TEA Party Patriots to get an 'ATTITUDE'.)
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To: panaxanax

All your gold belong to me. I have a cloaking device .


95 posted on 02/04/2010 2:55:36 PM PST by Renegade ("Bring it on while I still don't need glasses to shoot your eye out ")
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To: RobRoy

RobRoy,
I believe the greater danger is deflation.
Commodities and real estate will suffer.

My view on real estate pricing is that whatever
a home was worth in 2000, it will see again before
this is over. We are considering selling our home
right now, since we have substantial equity.

If there are more dollars worth less, each
will have less buying power.

I may be wrong. Or not.

Good luck,
ampu


96 posted on 02/04/2010 3:16:41 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Renegade

Damn it! You win, now I have to move and change my screen name.


97 posted on 02/04/2010 6:44:09 PM PST by panaxanax (It's time for TEA Party Patriots to get an 'ATTITUDE'.)
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