Posted on 01/30/2010 6:52:20 AM PST by GonzoII
California spent $3 Billion to slap President Bush in the face.
The slap was delivered, and the people of California got what they paid for.
Anything that happened after that was just scrapping over the spoils.
THe successes and progress has been made with ADULT stem cell research.
Yet the liberal media conveniently ignores this. Science - as pushed by the Far Left and their bootlicking media - is about solutions to non-existent problems (AGW) and solutions that do not work. As long as it drags everyone down. I was going to say Stalinists instead of Far Left, due to the Lysenkoism.
They all have nice new offices, plush couches, great new employee dining rooms ~ parking is good.
If you didn't have a bunch of third-rate bozos in charge of California the ESC people would be up on criminal fraud charges.
You will find my predictions in this regard in Free Republic archives from "way back when".
This is very frightening when you stop to think about it.
The idea that "science" should precede, direct, and ultimately trump morality is one of the foundational philosophical principles of Nazism. The science the Nazis followed was the bogus science (a brew concocted from Darwinism and racism), just as ESCR is bogus science.
That Zero can put his fingers in his ears and ignore the overwhelming scientific evidence that adult stem cells actually work and embryonic stem cells don't, is additionally frightening. The man is an ideologue of the first order; there is no trace of pragmatism in his makeup.
Whereas I entirely agree that the biology of embryonic stem cells is so complex that they are as likely or more likely to form a malignancy rather than the desired cell types, I don't agree at all with the blanket statement (above) made by the author about the ‘cures’ that have already resulted from adult stem cell research. Most of what we have seen as biological effects from adult stem cells in trials has been the result of growth factors and cytokines released from these cells, not from differentiation of these cells into desired cell types. At this point in time stem cell therapy remains a work in progress. I do believe that the field will advance to the point of multiple viable therapeutics, but it is not there yet.
Governor Corslime of NJ had several billion dollars earmarked for an embryonic stem cell research facility, to be built in Camden.
So, I did just that.
Although the original official site showing the full text is no longer live (having been eliminated for some reason ~ to save money?) the legislation was tightly written so that no funds could be diverted from the bonds into other non-research initiatives ~ e.g. cutting the budget.
The deal is that the research organization created is effectively immune from state budgetary controls, and they can look at ESCs or ASCs or bicycle design, body trusses, or anything they decide.
The error here is that California gave $3 billion to a bunch of yahoos who are going to run wild with it, and when they're done they can come back to the state and demand more money to pay off the bonds.
I think Californians were quite stupid to vote for this thing, but, it turns out, they are quite stupid.
Not only did Calif do it as a slap to Bush but Odumbo issued a EO in March overturning Bush and odumbo dedicated our taxpayer money to embryonic stem cell research.
he did this as a slap to Bush also but he wasted OUR money to do it.
YOU can’t tell me obama wasn’t advised in march 09 that the research had failed. He did it to bash Bush
I hate that POS
Bush was right.
NO...must destroy embryos and advance the Progressive ideology. More funding and taxes needed for ESCR. Bush and his allied neocons will drag us back to the stone age with narrow minded bigoted views. Scientific researchers are being corrupted by Big Corporate greed controlled by the Republican machine pushing adult stem cell research with fraudulent results. We voted for Hope and Change but it does not come easy. We Progressives will lead the way and enlighten the path when comes the day that embryonic stem cell research will have saved humanity from all diseases. (;
I recall that idiot Reagan, (the son) lambasting Bush at his father’s funeral about the joys of embryonic research...
welcome us to “modern medicine in the 21stcentury.”
I said Bush was the least qualified person to run for the presidency, then he slobbers all over Obama as being as qualified as his father.
Beware the left and what they tote.
Look, ESCs haven't produced "stuff". ASC research has produced "stuff".
Children can understand that equation.
You can attribute the effects of ASCs to whatever you want ~ the folks who benefit probably won't be impressed just as long as the effects are real.
Regarding differentiation into specific cell types, that may or may not be required in order to trigger the generation of the enzymes and other chemicals you need ~ be nice to have new structural tissues for heart repairs that were, essentially, heart structural cells, but if they're some other kind of structural issues from elsewhere, as long as they produce the chemistry needed to live, thrive and "do stuff" in the heart, that's good. Besides, haven't you guys been arguing that it is so difficult to differentiate stem cells from ordinary cells it will not be possible to advance our scientific knowledge unless we completely control the process so that we know that all we have are stem cells.
Progress proceedes apace with or without such knowledge.
The video patient profiles featured on this site emphasize ADULT stem cell advances with the goal of informing and the hope of inspiring you to take action. These real-life stories represent a small sampling of people and the many diseases and conditions now being helped by adult stem cells naturally found in the human body. Stem Cell Research Facts illustrates how current adult treatments and therapies directly impact the lives of patients and their families today - as opposed to debating the merits of other types of stem cell research.
http://www.stemcellresearchfacts.org/
I'm a physician, and a scientist, and am not a ‘true believer’ in embryonic stem cells. My view has consistently been that for the same reason we don't understand enough to control the dedifferentiation that is a hallmark of cancer, we clearly do not understand enough to control the differentiation of pluripotent or omnipotent stem cells.
What I am stating is that the media, AND many scientific publications have hyped the current state of stem cell technology way beyond where it really is. There have been multiple clinical trials of stem cell therapy after myocardial infarction (i.e. heart attacks) that have yielded no significant results, or in the best circumstances very small effects. That's not to say that these approaches can't work. I believe they eventually will become viable therapeutic options, but they are not there yet.
The data are what the data are, and the science has to be evaluated objectively or we risk turning the stem cell field into the same type of politicized field as climatology has become.
For the record, the difference between an embryonic stem cell and an adult progenitor cell is epigenetic, not genetic. There are now many ways to induce pluripotency of adult stem cells and turn them into nearly the equivalent of an embryonic stem cell by essentially ‘stripping away’ their epigenetic programming. The bottom line is that this makes the use of embryonic stem cells to a large extent irrelevant. I think use and issue of embryonic stem cells will fade because of this progress. Cord blood is another interesting alternative.
So, in contradistinction to being a ‘true believer’ in embryonic stem cells, I actually believe they will become irrelevant. I just can't stand scientific or clinical hype. I think it's ultimately harmful.
Stem cell bump
Your bad luck to encounter a grammar nazi Fur Shur.
Thanks. Emotions run high in this field, and I knew when I posted that what I was trying to say might be misunderstood. Also, I’m just getting over the ‘gift’ of a ‘cold’ I got from my child, so I’m not exactly articulate or thinking very clearly at the moment.
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