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I shot US abortion doctor to protect children, Scott Roeder tells court
Guardian ^
| 28 January 2010
| Ed Pilkington
Posted on 01/28/2010 12:16:12 PM PST by Ben Mugged
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To: editor-surveyor
“He deserves a medal for lifesaving.”
Roeder does not deserve a medal, but rather he deserves the steel bars of a prison cell fir the rest of his life.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:30:46 PM PST
by
trumandogz
(The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
To: LearsFool
Jury nullification is inherent in jury trial. Really?
You mean jury trials where the jurors are instructed to apply the law to the facts presented by the court? THOSE jury trials?
If the jury is authorized to operate outside the law then the jury has BECOME the law themselves! Why have elected representatives, debate, legislation, veto power, or, for that matter, a Constitution at all? Legislation by jury is so much more efficient!
If your reasoning is correct, then the supreme authority of the United States of America rests with either 12 jurors, or a single juror in many cases. As long as the juror(s) really, really believe they are right and the law is wrong, then screw the law.
Remember, there are liberal jurors sitting in judgment against conservative defendents all the time. Think LONG and HARD about that, in the context of gun posession, concealed carry and self-defense cases, for example.
As I said before, such a belief is openly hostile to the fundamentals spelled out in the Constitution and would be a pernicious force against justice in the USA if allowed to spread.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:30:54 PM PST
by
TChris
("Hello", the politician lied.)
To: OldDeckHand; All
> Third Reich Germany wasn’t a nation of laws, but a nation > beholden to the musings of one psychopathic murder.
I’m not talking legal, I’m talking moral. We're a nation of laws, but those laws are made by flesh and blood men and women. Some of those people have a much more devious intention than others on the topic of Abortion. Since 1973, 1,568,359,019 humans have been killed in the US with the legalization of abortion. That's a hell of a lot more slaughtering than Adolf ever ordered. Sorry to hear you’re okay with that.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:32:01 PM PST
by
BP2
(I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
To: Ben Mugged
The prosecution wouldn't want me on this jury.Me neither.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:32:22 PM PST
by
DTogo
(High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
To: LussaO
"
Tim McVeigh had a necessity defense too, the feds needed to learn a lesson. And when the Montana Freeman standoff ended without a Waco fire, McVeigh felt vindicated in his bombing - wow, sounds a lot like the freepers saying the shooting saved a lot of babies!" Can't remember when I've seen so many nonsequiturs strung out in one line before! - You have no contact with the real world. Are you an abortion doctor by any chance?
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:33:16 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
To: Ben Mugged
Praying for Scott Roeder, and praying for wisdom for his jury.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:33:56 PM PST
by
Palladin
(It's a new day in America. Welcome, Senator Brown.)
To: editor-surveyor
BEEP - wrong! You don’t have to have read the book American Terrorist to know that McVeigh’s justification for his bombing was, it was the only way for increasingly powerless citizens to stand up to the federal juggernaut, as he put it.
He surmised the government wouldn’t be impressed by a mere destroyed building they could easily replace, but a high body count of irreplaceable people would leave a mark.
I hear that view reflected in some of these comments justifying 1st degree murder and it is appalling.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:34:02 PM PST
by
LussaO
To: trumandogz
Roeder would be justified in killing any doctor who may perform an abortion, any doctor who may implant an IUD, or a pharmacist And you could kill Roeder and say you were stopping the murder of any doctor or pharmacist . Same defense, same insane argument
To: TChris
I guess you don’t read well, and are logically impaired.
The constitution does not provide for instruction of juries. Juries do sit in judgement first of the law, and second of the defendant. A jury that has been instructed is invalid.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:36:29 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
To: Ogie Oglethorpe
Life begins at conception and there is no difference between a third trimester abortion, a first trimester abortion, an IUD and the “morning after” pill.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:37:48 PM PST
by
trumandogz
(The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
To: OldDeckHand
KSM is not entitled to a jury trial under our laws. You already know that, so you are arguing dishonestly.
Your question is unanswerable because it is in no way analogous to this case.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:39:25 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
To: Ben Mugged
Well, look at it this way, how many “procedures” has Killer Tiller done since ?
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:40:04 PM PST
by
fieldmarshaldj
(~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
To: Ben Mugged
"A self-proclaimed born-again Christian..."
I didn't know there was any other kind.
Is there a blood test available? A questionnaire? A psychological evaluation?
I guess I need to get out into the real world a little more often...
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:40:18 PM PST
by
Quality_Not_Quantity
(A half-truth masquerading as the whole truth becomes a complete untruth. (J.I. Packer)
To: Invincibly Ignorant
No doubt Roeder saved lives of mothers as well as babies by his actions.
Many mothers also died at the hands of the Butcher of Wichita. One was a young retarded woman who had not given consent to the act which took both her life and that of her baby.
Tiller the Killer was a despicable human being. The world is better off without him. Assassinating him was on a par with assassinating Saddam Hussein or Hitler or Charles Manson.
...and remember, Sec. of Health Sebelius was one of his closest friends.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:41:29 PM PST
by
Palladin
(It's a new day in America. Welcome, Senator Brown.)
To: CaribouCrossing
If Kansas law is fully followed, he will be acquitted. (no guarantees though, but the judge seems to be fair)
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:42:21 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
To: editor-surveyor
I guess you dont read well, and are logically impaired. The constitution does not provide for instruction of juries. Juries do sit in judgement first of the law, and second of the defendant. A jury that has been instructed is invalid.
LOLOLOL!
Wow.
Juries "sit in judgement...of the law"??? Really? Show me THAT one in the Constitution. Odd that it does provide for superior courts to do exactly that: sit in judgment of the law. If that's the jury's job, why would the Constitution provide for superior courts, up to and including the SCOTUS?
You live in a bizarre fantasy world, FRiend. Pray you never sit as a defendant with a jury who shares your beliefs. The sword cuts both ways.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:44:07 PM PST
by
TChris
("Hello", the politician lied.)
To: LussaO
I don’t live in Kansas where the coded law recognizes killing by necessity.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:44:53 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
To: trumandogz
Your comment drips with hatred, and evil as usual.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:46:04 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
To: TChris
You mean jury trials where the jurors are instructed to apply the law to the facts presented by the court? THOSE jury trials?
I mean ESPECIALLY those jury trials.
If your reasoning is correct, then the supreme authority of the United States of America rests with either 12 jurors, or a single juror in many cases. As long as the juror(s) really, really believe they are right and the law is wrong, then screw the law.
In a nutshell!
Or isn't ours a self-governing nation any more? Perhaps we've abdicated that responsibilty? Perhaps we have for too long lazily delegated that duty further and further up the chain of power that we can no longer make decisions for ourselves about what sort of communities we'd like to have?
If so, let us hang our heads in shame, for we're unworthy of the inheritance bequeathed to us in blood by our nation's founders!
Remember, there are liberal jurors sitting in judgment against conservative defendents all the time. Think LONG and HARD about that, in the context of gun posession, concealed carry and self-defense cases, for example.
If you're suggesting that the consequences of my principles might convince me to abandon my principles, you've misjudged me, my FRiend.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:46:45 PM PST
by
LearsFool
("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
To: ConservativeMind
It sounds like the guy has his head on straight enough to tell the truth.
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What was it Orwell wrote about telling the truth being a revolutionary act in a time of universal deceit? Yeah, that.
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posted on
01/28/2010 2:47:36 PM PST
by
Canedawg
(The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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