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I shot US abortion doctor to protect children, Scott Roeder tells court
Guardian ^ | 28 January 2010 | Ed Pilkington

Posted on 01/28/2010 12:16:12 PM PST by Ben Mugged

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To: editor-surveyor
"Jury nullification is valid."

Interesting. So, you'd fully support the decision of any Muslims who may be sitting on the jury for KSM to vote against conviction because they're sympathetic to KSM's position? That is a most curious statement - jury nullification is valid - if also intellectually obtuse..

141 posted on 01/28/2010 2:02:49 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Antoninus

Good point. If Terry Nichols had taken out McVeigh before he blew up the Murrah Building, should he have been prosecuted for 1st degree murder?

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If Nichols committed the elements of first degree murder, lying in wait, premeditation, planning and malice aforethought, absolutely.


142 posted on 01/28/2010 2:04:15 PM PST by LussaO
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To: Antoninus

If taking out murderers, genocidists and criminals against humanity are justified, then they wouldn’t be only the province of nutcase hit men off their meds. What service is Antonius and his gun planning on in defense of the unborn?


143 posted on 01/28/2010 2:07:07 PM PST by LussaO
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To: trumandogz

Don’t be too sure about that.


144 posted on 01/28/2010 2:07:07 PM PST by proudpapa (Obama - Worst One Ever!)
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To: trumandogz; All

In Fort Hood, 14 people were killed — 13 adults and one unborn child. Both Federal Law and the UCMJ allow for a murder charge when a person causes the death of an unborn child.


You speak all high and mighty with your basic understanding of law & morality.

Please tell me how something like this is moral?


145 posted on 01/28/2010 2:07:14 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BunnySlippers
"What a moron this guy is. Nut case!"

The prosecutor? I agree.

146 posted on 01/28/2010 2:11:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: TChris
I've read and read, but can't seem to find any provision in the Constitution for jury nullification.

Jury nullification is inherent in jury trial.

Is there any other reason for having twelve of one's peers - one's PEERS, in "the State or district wherein the crime shall have been committed" - on a jury? Can't a judge judge the facts just as well?

Trial by jury has, since its inception, taken judgment out of the hands of political authorities and placed it squarely in those of the community - where it by rights ought to be and, in the final analysis, will be. Authority for jury nullification is the very essence of trial by jury.
147 posted on 01/28/2010 2:11:48 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: BP2
"What would you do if you had the chance in the 1920s?"

Silly rabbit, Third Reich Germany wasn't a nation of laws, but a nation beholden to the musings of one psychopathic murder. We are a nation of laws - laws written for, of and by the people and interpreted by a Judiciary, per their Constitutional responsibilities. We don't get to start murdering people when those decisions don't go the way we think that they should.

148 posted on 01/28/2010 2:11:54 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Ben Mugged

This isn’t the way to stop abortion. We can’t descend into moral relativism and situational ethics.

The sonograms were a boon to OUR side, not the prochoicers’.
They’re losing the battle to keep babies inhuman blobs of tissue.


149 posted on 01/28/2010 2:12:32 PM PST by LussaO
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To: Jim from C-Town

Interesting arguments on all sides, that’s for sure. I doubt they’ll get an acquittal either, and unless they can prove an insanity defense (highly unlikely I think since it was clearly premeditated), he’ll be convicted.

Any juror who cannot put aside their prejudices and follow the law in any court proceeding should excuse themselves.


150 posted on 01/28/2010 2:17:35 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: BP2

Life begins at conception, therefore there is no difference between a first and third trimester abortion.


151 posted on 01/28/2010 2:18:16 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: LussaO
We can’t descend into moral relativism and situational ethics.

To paraphrase Plato’s argument for reasoning our way toward moral values:

Do we have a good reason for designating certain acts as moral and others as immoral? Suppose that we were commanded to torture a child. Would that make it all right, or would some other standard give us reasons to resist? And if, on the other hand, we were forced by moral reasons to issue some dictates and not others — if a command to torture a child was never an option — then why not appeal to those reasons directly?

Why not indeed?

152 posted on 01/28/2010 2:20:30 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: LussaO
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"Roeder committed first degree murder, the worst crime on the books, and he needs to pay the penalty."

The evidence says no.

Under Kansas law, he committed a justifiable act of homicide out of necessity. He should be lauded for his courage.
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153 posted on 01/28/2010 2:20:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
i have not heard that before. was he a leftest?
There are some leftest I know that are pro life.
154 posted on 01/28/2010 2:21:42 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: editor-surveyor
"Argumentum ad absurdum!"

Weasels will always prefer the company of other weasels, as they both stink of the same rotten meat and rancid blood.

155 posted on 01/28/2010 2:23:12 PM PST by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: Agamemnon

So, according to you, Roeder would be justified in killing any doctor who may perform an abortion, any doctor who may implant an IUD, or a pharmacist that might dispense “morning after pills?”


156 posted on 01/28/2010 2:23:33 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: editor-surveyor

He should be lauded for his courage.

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All the other doctor killers went to prison or were executed. The mainstream prolife groups condemned Roeder and his own family rejected him.

The number of people ridiculous enough to laud him - I daresay you could feed them all with one KFC Variety Bucket.


157 posted on 01/28/2010 2:24:12 PM PST by LussaO
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To: editor-surveyor

So, where’s YOUR courage? You’re a Freeper, I know you have a gun, and there’s some 4000 babies out there who are doomed to die today.

Something tells me there’s a reason you don’t go a-shootin’ - because you know on some level it’s morally wrong and unjustifiable. Doctor-killing is for the schizophrenic losers off their meds like Roeder.


158 posted on 01/28/2010 2:27:59 PM PST by LussaO
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To: BP2
In Fort Hood, 14 people were killed — 13 adults and one unborn child. Both Federal Law and the UCMJ allow for a murder charge when a person causes the death of an unborn child.

And what would you think if Hassan tried to offer, as his defense, that he was killing people who were going off to kill Muslims and therefore he was acting in their defense?

159 posted on 01/28/2010 2:28:41 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: LussaO
"Tim McVeigh had a “necessity defense”, too."

Another of your falsehoods. - McVey had no defense, and he was a puppet anyway.

160 posted on 01/28/2010 2:29:12 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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