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Palin, McCain and Why Vote for J.D. Hayworth
1/27/10 | Manhunter

Posted on 01/27/2010 5:11:42 AM PST by ManHunter

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To: Man50D

So has Scott Brown. He went on the radio yesterday and said that the only person in Washington DC who gave him the time of day was John McCain.

Scott Brown has also recorded a phone call in behalf of McCain. It is what it is.


21 posted on 01/27/2010 5:35:41 AM PST by MarkAccord
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To: KevinB

You’ll probably be back when you compare her to the mush mouthed Repubs that she may run against,...and you’ll be welcomed back, too.

Romney? Huckabee? Anybody?


22 posted on 01/27/2010 5:36:51 AM PST by incredulous joe (Live free or fight!)
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To: deport

John Sidney McCain’s views on illegal aliens are so over the top and spell only disaster for this country. During 2008 he acted feeble and senile and appeared not to want to win the election. Now his daughter and wife both pose with duct tape over their mouths. The man has turned into a joke.


23 posted on 01/27/2010 5:37:24 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: sickoflibs

McCain’s record goes far beyond the 10 years referenced in my original post. He has shown an incredible degree of “pragmatism” in the past - even more so and less consistent than John F’ng Kerry (from a different perspective than Kerry, of course). His lifetime conservative ranking is well below that of most of his Republican contemporaries and 15 points below that of his fellow Arizona Senator Jon Kyl.

He has now taken a turn to the conservative? Methinks not...


24 posted on 01/27/2010 5:37:50 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
The best way to communicate with the RNC seems to be voting against their favorites, they certainly don’t listen to any other messages.

Also by financially supporting JD. McCain will have BIG money behind him, including some that we gave him for the presidential run. Actually, we gave it to Sarah and McCain kept it.

McCain will have big money, the media, and "the establishment" behind him.

McCain claims he's in DC fighting for us all the time, well, if he's there fighting he's sure ineffective because we have higher deficits then ever before. Perhaps it's time to send someone else to fight who might have a chance of winning.

25 posted on 01/27/2010 5:38:03 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: All

Is there ANY primary poll?


26 posted on 01/27/2010 5:44:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ManHunter

JD Hayworth and any other challengers from the right like Marco Rubio are doing the country a great service. A vigorous debate on issues fleshes out the best candidates on balance like Pat Toomey did in PA regarding Specter. Who cares who Palin supports in the primary? That’s her business. Let the candidates have at it and make up your own mind.
The real question is do the anti-Dem votes come together after the primary to defeat the Dem machine like Brown did to Coakley or do we stay away or scatter our votes and allow this insane government to go on with out the slightest check. 41 votes in the Senate is hardly a position of power. The Dem jackboot is on our necks. The house has to get flipped at all costs to save the country. We need all the senate votes we can get to restore some small amount of sanity to the government. We need to be smart.


27 posted on 01/27/2010 5:44:51 AM PST by rfpzzzzz
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To: apocalypto

I don’t disagree with your post at all. I’m only trying to point out that this vanity thread in News/activism has very little to justify it at all if it is soley based upon ratings. There are tons of additional data out there that wasn’t touched and much of which has been presented in one or more of the numerous threads on this topic.


28 posted on 01/27/2010 5:46:11 AM PST by deport (34 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: cripplecreek

To some degree, it is grasping at straws. She seems the only on who can lead the conservative charge, but she is human and a politician, who may be seeking political office, and deals need to be made. Renaldus, himself, spent 1977 through 1980 building a base within the GOP.

It’s my reason for pessimism. Both parties are full of self serving corrupt individuals because, as Frank Herbert has said, power does not corrupt, it attracts corruptible individuals. Anyone seeking political office, and anyone in political office seeking to get anything done, needs to make deals with such devils.


29 posted on 01/27/2010 5:47:06 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: mazda77; ManHunter; rabscuttle385; mkjessup
I have always disliked McCain and in 2008 figured out he would cause more trouble as president than even O could(because Republicans would join him and democrats to pass all these reforms stuck now) . He has done a good job playing opposition to Obama in 2009, but he has little choice as do any republicans. When republicans get more seats he will cause trouble again.

Yes, Hayworth puts Sarah-bots in an uncomfortable position(which they deserve for such bad behavior here.) Can her ‘word’ still be a miracle from above if it is to vote for a RINO over a conservative?

30 posted on 01/27/2010 5:47:12 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: deport

As of 2007, 34 of McCain’s contemporaries in the US Senate have higher ratings than he does, which, in terms of conservatism, puts him in the bottom 15% of Republican senators. By the way, an 82.3 rating means he voted with the Democrats 17.7 percent of the time. While that alone may not be a compelling statistic, on which 17 percent of pending legislation will he vote with them in the future?


31 posted on 01/27/2010 5:47:42 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: Man50D

Palin has lost all credibility as a Conservative.


No she hasn’t. She isn’t any different than when she ran along side McCain last November except she is much more vocal and her words much more powerful in advancing the conservative cause. This whole story is much ado about nothing. What it really is is the destruction of all of the gains we have made thanks to the total failure of Obama. Anyone playing along is fool and letting happen what the Democrats haven’t been able to accomplish themselves. It’s call divide and conquer.


32 posted on 01/27/2010 5:49:49 AM PST by curth
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To: mazda77
You, I and every other conservative at least remotely familiar with the issues know she is wrong on this one. let’s face it, she is not perfect and can err just as we all can do but the rubber meets the road in a week and a half when she delivers the keynote address at the TP Convention. I will give her through then to understand what that shakey feeking under her feet is not a common Alaska trembler.

I agree. I really like Sarah and have had high hopes for her. I understand she agreed to help McCain before Hayworth announced that he is going to run. Obviously, she made a mistake in not waiting until after the primary to endorse - but she is new at these things and I'd give her a pass on that.

I cannot give her a pass if she insists on continuing this path. Like you, I am watching and giving her some time to reformulate her decision. Clearly, Hayworth is the more conservative of the two - and CLEARLY - McCain has done damage to our country in many ways. I don't feel like she owes him diddly - she worked very hard during the campaign and lifted him in the polls immensely.

She owes him nothing. She is not his puppet to come running whenever he calls. He is using her, and will throw her away when it is expedient for him to do so. She had a brilliant career ahead of her before he ever called her - she was going full-speed ahead on her own golden path. She interrupted all of that to help McCain. I feel his pathetic campaign attempts against Obama really let her down and did not do justice to the sacrifices she and her family made to help him.

She owes him nothing.

I hope she is working on this issue - it's a big one. This will leave a big black mark on her otherwise stellar career. Sarah, I love you - but I won't follow you blindly over a cliff.

33 posted on 01/27/2010 5:50:02 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: longtermmemmory

Primary poll

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I don’t think Hayworth has officially jumped in the mix nor even set up a committed, exploratory or otherwise at this time. Don’t forget this primary isn’t until Aug. 24 and the last day to file to be in the primary is May 26, so a good bit of time left yet.


34 posted on 01/27/2010 5:52:14 AM PST by deport (34 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: sickoflibs

“He has done a good job playing opposition to Obama in 2009”

He has not!

He should wake up every morning and take a bite out of Obama’s ass before he even pours his coffee. He should do this for the good of our nation. he should have defined himself by his opposition to the cabal of socialists.

This is what he should have been doing since November of last year. That is what I had unrealistically hoped for. Instead he has gone the way many here at FR have predicted.

McCain needs to retire. He’ll only help Obama screw up the country.


35 posted on 01/27/2010 5:53:17 AM PST by incredulous joe (Live free or fight!)
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To: ontap
If she had supported Hayworth the media would have been all over her for being disloyal this way she gets credit for being loyal and can’t be accused of being a wild eyed conservative.

What?

Are you kidding? Do you really think the media will ever give Sarah credit for anything? They are going to pick on her no matter what she does. I hope she doesn't make ANY decisions based on what she thinks the media is going to do to her, cause if she does - she has more in common with McCain than I thought.

Anyway, what's so wrong about being accused of being a "wild-eyed conservative"?

36 posted on 01/27/2010 5:54:32 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: curth
No she hasn’t. She isn’t any different than when she ran along side McCain last November except she is much more vocal and her words much more powerful in advancing the conservative cause.

Palin twice standing by a politician who supports amnesty for illegals, the global warming fallacy, the socialist bailout, abortion and opposes drilling in ANWR as do the socialist RATs clearly shows she is not conservative. Your point only confirms she has consistently opposed conservative values.
37 posted on 01/27/2010 5:54:44 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: ManHunter

Not bad if that means the pubs together have that high of a rating. I’d have thought it would have been lower. Someone with an 82% doesn’t bother me......... I don’t expect everyone to think/feel exactly as I do.


38 posted on 01/27/2010 5:57:12 AM PST by deport (34 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: deport
So 82.3% isn’t that bad is it? Sure 97.6% is better but is the 15% worth throwing someone under the bus that has vast amount of seniority/leverage built up on Capitol Hill?

I think they get points for fairly routine conservative stances as well as stances on major issues. But McCain is horrible on the major issues of recent years: amnesy, cap and trade, even health care (now reaching across the aisle), and he has that idiotic notion that just doing something, or passing something is actually progress.

And his Gang of 14 involvement and other anti-conservative maneuvers don't show up in tallies of voting records.

39 posted on 01/27/2010 5:57:26 AM PST by Will88
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To: ManHunter

Conservatives have recognized over the last few election cycles that they have to fight two battles: 1) most obviously, the Dims in the general election, and 2) almost as importantly, the Cinos/Rinos in the primaries.

We haven’t done a very good job in the primaries in the past, resulting in Cinos like McCain being elected. The result is Republicans who are more comfortable with Dims than they are with conservatives in their own party.

It’s now time to take the party back, and that means fighting hard in the primaries.


40 posted on 01/27/2010 6:00:35 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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