Posted on 01/11/2010 12:47:03 PM PST by Red Steel
Barry was born a British subject, by way of British law.
The U.S. has no authority to say that Barry could not inherit the citizenship of his foreign father.
The question remains, how could someone who was a Natural Born Citizen of the United States, be under the jurisdiction of Britain?
Obama, himself, claimed dual citizenship in his autobiography (or bioagraphy, if you think Ayers ghost-wrote it). As a dual citizen, he had to formally claim US citizenship at age 18. I had friends who did this. Where is the paperwork that shows that Obama declared his preference for US citizenship? Where is ANY paperwork regarding Obama?
I'm not distorting anything she says other than it was carefully parsed statement giving her wiggle room. My past posts addressed this. What you won't do is acknowledge the truth to what I said about the Hawaiian DoH past business practices of their issued birth certificates.
And since she has no authority to make such a declaration, it is...therefore, officially meaningless.
Of course, you would want it to be meaningless, or else you wouldn't have anything to argue about... :-) ... A couple of other posts to that effect... :-)
Certainly the State of Hawaii has the ability, the expertise, and in many cases, the "request" (by many people) -- to make legal statements as they have made and do so in many different cases. States do that all the time. I've see that happen plenty of times for different legal issues. It gets run by their lawyers, they determine the legal status of something and they make a pronouncement.
I don't know where you've been but it goes on probably every day with states all over this country (one or the other or various ones on any day...)
At the same time, if a legal statement that a state has made is something that some people don't like, they can (and do) challenge those in a court of law.
But, I've said all along if you want a "settling of the issue" of Obama's qualifications per the Constitution and in regards to his parents' citizenship, the only settling of this is going to be by the Supreme Court.
However, that -- in no way, shape or form, prevents any state from making legal pronouncements, officially, on behalf of the state, no matter if someone wants to take something to the Supreme Court.
The State of Hawaii hires lawyers too, you know... :-) You can bet that the State of Hawaii lawyers would not have the state make an official statement without having the legal backing to say so. I can be confident of that, with the fact that all the states have a team of lawyers for examining any subject that the state deal with.
What this means to me, is that there are lawyers who are going to examine "official pronouncements" of any state to the public and they're not going to let something in there that is a lie (from the state records) and is legally unsupportable.
And speaking from the position of non-lawyers, there are conservatives who do not think that this is relevant to the Constitutional issue of Obama being qualified, i.e., that natural born status, per the parents citizenship, and it affecting Obama, having been born in Hawaii.
That's obviousl since we've got all the Republicans and the Republican candidate, plus the President of the United States and the Vice President of the United States (Bush and Cheney) -- none of them raising this issue as relevant in Obama's qualifications under the Constitution.
I don't. I think she's a nut.
Obama could do much worse than to have hired her to put a clown's face on the whole issue.
I suggest you sit down and STFU
No, I don't think so.
Is that a problem for you?
Yes.
b.t.w. A British citizen living in the states is still entitled to not only a British passport, but also is entitled to vote in British and EU elections (just to name a few). That presents a problem.
You know Taitz’s legal ineptitude has given some of our soldiers who trusted her, major career problems due to her lack of legal knowledge and irresponsible hysterics. But I guess what else can you expect from someone who is hustling donations on her website using credit cards and Paypal!
Everyone else has no problem in showing their birth certificate and who do not need the court to order them to do so, except if you're Barack Obama.
That’s too bad, but it doesn’t justify humblegunner’s personal insults toward her.
Orly said, “fine, let’s move the case.” She is asking Judge Carter to move the case to Judge Lamberth’s court in DC. This would serve to best expedite the case, including discovery.
I thought Judge Carter dismissed the case based upon lack of standing. Thus how does he have a case before him to move?
Wouldn’t Taitz need to file a case in DC if that is the court where she wants it heard?
I'm not distorting anything she says other than it was carefully parsed statement giving her wiggle room.
It sounds pretty plain, direct, to the point and comprehensive to me -- in addressing the issue of where Obama was born and if he is a natural born American citizen.
When the State of Hawaii says that Obama was born in Hawaii, I see no "wiggle room" to later be able to show that he wasn't born in Hawaii from that statement... LOL...
And when the State of Hawaii says that Obama is a natural born American citizen -- I see no "wiggle room" to get out of him being that -- from their statement.
In other words, if later on someone shows Obama was not born in Hawaii and shows that he was not a natural born American citizen... there's no way that one could come back to this statement and say,
"See right here, you didn't read that word right, and while we said he was born in Hawaii, you didn't understand that we really didn't mean it and when we said that he was a natural born American citizen, we really didn't mean it!"
Now that's getting pretty silly! LOL....
Everyone else has no problem in showing their birth certificate and who do not need the court to order them to do so, except if you're Barack Obama.
If there were a law that required candidates for President to show their birth certificates, then I'm sure all our candidates in the past would have shown them. But, unfortunately there is no legal requirement for a candidate to show his birth certificate.
And hence, that's a good reason for getting that state law going in several states that require any candidate to show their birth certificate or else they cannot be placed on the ballot in that state.
btt
Her declaration would not hold up in a court of law and you know that.
What court of law has even asked (or ordered) a birth certificate in the first place, from Obama... LOL...
And no, I think if anyone were called upon to verify those records, from her department, and what they have from the State of Hawaii, it would be the head of the department for the State of Hawaii who is charged with producing a certified copy of such a record in the first place. That's the very person who made the official statement from the State of Hawaii.
No..., she would be precisely the person to testify in such a case... there's no other department that can produce a certified copy of the birth certificate (anywhere in the world) and there is no other "head of department" (anywhere in the world) that oversees those records which prove that Obama was born in Hawaii.
JB Williams
Canada Free Press
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
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Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.
She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!
She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.
So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded
Your above statement would then indicate that your below statement was a bit of an obfuscation.
If I think she is headed down a dead end road, then I'll say so.
Obama could do much worse than to have hired her to put a clown's face on the whole issue.
We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out, won't we? DESPITE THE FACT that Obama has admitted his dad was a british citizen at the time of his (Obama's) birth, which disqualifies him of the natural born citizen status REQUIRED by the constitution, he is also going to have to keep all of his records secret for the rest of his life and beyond, lest everything he has done, is doing, or will do be declared illegal.
I don't think Orly is ever going to stop, do you?
No, I don't think so.
To be honest, I didn't expect that you would have enough class to do anything other than throw stones from your little, anonymous corner, cowardlygunner.
Yes.
Good.
She has no authority to make such a declaration, therefore it’s meaningless.
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