HI Territorial Law 57 (foreign born & HI B.C.'s) - Joint Motion Filled in HOLLISTER v SOETORO

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[OafOfOffice]

For more Obama mysteries. As I was looking for old records on this, I came upon a maybe a mystery involving obama’s driver’s license. The DL image is gone due to some violation on photobucket. Still interesting. Why did Obama get a CONT. on his license he renewed months before he won Illinois senate?

Name change? Or just let it lapse?

http://art2sect1clause5.blogspot.com/2009/02/obamas-illinois-drivers-license.html

[OafOfOffice]

This is the webpage I was looking for. It details how foreign born Sun Yat-sen’s application became a true “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth”

AND

As the decades passed, the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” Application and Certification process became more formalized. For example, this is the 1946 “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” application from Masayoshi Mitose, credited for having brought Kenpo martial arts to the US in the 1930s

http://art2sect1clause5.blogspot.com/2008/11/obamas-missing-link-hawaiian-birth_28.html

[OafOfOffice]

And don't miss this one. Much more at link.

http://art2sect1clause5.blogspot.com/

Here are some comments of the Kenyan Parliament from Nov. 5, 2008, on the morning after Barack Obama win of the US Presidential election on Nov. 4

Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other than the Leader of Government Business acknowledge that because of Obama's win in the United States of America (USA), the House is crippled. Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA? I humbly request!

The Vice-President and Minister for Home Affairs (Mr. Musyoka): … As we do, as you said from the Chair, this is a sovereign country. We know we can learn a lot. To be able to support that blood relation, I think we owe it to ourselves to make sure that we have a peaceful country as Kenyans; a country that will uphold the true principles of the rule of law, democracy and tolerance between ourselves At the beginning of this year, Senator Barrack Obama called me at midnight and told me: "Mr. Vice President, could you make sure you sort out this problem?" I want to assure him that the problem has since been sorted out.

[bitt]

57,58,59

oh, bruddah!

[OafOfOffice]

Here is the form that could have been used with just a photograph attached of his likeness.

http://sites.google.com/site/obamabirth/Home/obama-short-form-birth-certificate

In this Typewritten Certificate of Hawaiian Birth dated March 14, 1904, Dr. Sun Yat-Sen signed an affidavit that he was born in Hawaii on Nov. 24, 1870 (in reality he was born in China in 1866).

Of course, this is not true bec Sun Yat-Sen, the Father of Modern China, was born in China.

Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles north of Macau).

After receiving a few years of local school, at age thirteen, Sun went to live with his elder brother, Sun Mei, in Honolulu.

Sun Mei, who was fifteen years Sun Yat-sen’s senior, had emigrated to Hawaii as a laborer and had become a prosperous merchant. Though Sun Mei was not always supportive of Sun’s later revolutionary activities, he supported his brother financially, allowing Sun to give up his professional career.

Sun Yat-sen studied at the prestigious Iolani School where he learned English, mathematics and science. Originally unable to speak the English language, Sun Yat-sen picked up the language so quickly that he received a prize for outstanding achievement in English from King David Kalakaua.

He became a citizen of the United States and was issued an American passport. It is unclear whether or not he maintained his original citizenship as a subject of the Qing empire.

After attending Iolani School in 1882,[2] Sun enrolled in Oahu College (now Punahou School) for further studies for one semester, from which he graduated.[3]. He was soon sent home to China as his brother was becoming afraid that Sun Yat-sen was about to embrace Christianity. While at Iolani, he befriended Tong Phong, who later founded the First Chinese-American Bank.

[Vendome]

Next thing you know we will have people running around acting like they are President of the United States. /s

I understand your point and most of us don’t actually care what we are called.

We do want to what to call that guy in the White House.

[potlatch]

Thanks bitt. I started out following this closely but kinda gave up when it was one disappointment after another. Now I am so far behind in ‘information’ that I’d hesitate to even ask a question, lol.

[Seizethecarp]

“Yes, I'm as certain as anyone can be, that you have it exactly as it happened, and that someone was the GRANDMOTHER.

“But as the evidence suggests, she was unable to obtain an actual CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE because she had no supporting documentation.

“So the APPLICATION remained FILED.”

I agree. The fact that this application was filed with an “unknown” allegedly Kenya birth location could have opened the door for Obama to come in some time after 1982 (whenever it was advantageous for him to do it) and request an amendment to show a Honolulu birth location based on “new evidence” perhaps provided by his mom or grandma.

This explains how the amendment that D’Onofrio believes he established in the vital record index release could have occurred solely to change the birth location without any need for an adoption related change. The document appears to have been unaltered from the date filed up to the time that the 1982 statutory notation was made, which seems to preclude any adoption amendment to the record during the period prior to 1982 when a Soetoro adoption would have occurred.

The next question is how to get the person who has this document (Ohio lawyer, was it?) to turn it over to a lawyer who can get it in front of a judge. Hemenway's Hollister case is a long shot. D'Onofrio's quo warranto discovery might force HI to produce the original, if D'Onofrio gets standing.

[Fred Nerks]

The next question is how to get the person who has this document (Ohio lawyer, was it?) to turn it over to a lawyer who can get it in front of a judge. Hemenway's Hollister case is a long shot. D'Onofrio's quo warranto discovery might force HI to produce the original, if D'Onofrio gets standing.

Now to find that 'Ohio Lawyer' who was he?

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24001567/Obama-BC-GMom

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2405994/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

still looking for the Lawyer.

[Fred Nerks]

here we go...

The Blaine Document
October 19, 2009 by John Charlton

WILLIAM BLAINE RELEASES PURPORTED OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
by John Charlton

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2366539/posts?page=161#161

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2366539/posts?page=164#164

http://lawyers.legalhelpmate.com/OH-Lawyer-William-Blaine-88782.aspx

[Seizethecarp]

Thanks Fred! You beat me to it! William Blaine in Ohio, that's the alleged source.

The good news is that it is in the hands of John Charlton who is currently wired directly into D'Onofrio (back together after a big dust-up for which D'Onofrio apologized). D'Onofrio and the Chrysler dealers may have access to a copy of this document as backup for their quo warranto discovery effort, depending on the degree to which Blaine can provide provenance.

In the Post & E-Mail story at the link (below) is a statement from Kerchner that he and Apuzzo believe this is a hoax, but they appear to fail to understand that bureaucrats can fish a document out of the file long after it is placed in the file to add statutory notations, such as the one for the 1982 statute.

And there is a clear reason for this notation being added after 1982 as a footnote to the Honolulu "birth location" to clarify that the actual birth hospital was in Kenya, per the hospital field entry.

From the link to the story at your link:

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/the-blaine-document/

Commander Charles Kerchner, issued this statement:

"Atty Mario Apuzzo and I believe it is a forgery and a fraud … probably done by some Obot to get our side scurrying around with it. The biggest reason we think it is a fraud is because the Hawaiian statute cited in the lower right corner as the version with the “.8″ amendment on the end, i.e., 338.17.8 did not exist in 1961. It was added to the statute in 1982. That jumped out at me right away. 338.17.8 did not apply to Obama in 1961 because it did not exist in the law books yet. But the registration of out of state children was permitted in 1961 under older laws such as the one in 1911 and another in 1955, as I recall off the top of my head. But since this doc is citing 338.17.8 it cannot be the initial or original birth registration document."

[American Constitutionalist]

The Obots , anti birthers are in their loony bins trying to figure out a way to spin this one Hawaii 57 ...

[American Constitutionalist]

” FILED “ and “ ACCEPTED “ has 2 different meanings ...

[rxsid]

"” FILED “ and “ ACCEPTED “ has 2 different meanings ..."

Yeah, sure does. Just look at Barry's world famous, alleged, short form.

Say's FILED and not ACCEPTED.

[EDINVA]

Pretty exciting stuff. Slow and steady wins the race. The legal process is slow and tedious; unfortunately, we have a form of national ADD.

Over the past many months it’s been so frustrating seeing banner headlines proclaiming: Judge sets trial! When that was merely an administrative action. Or an attorney running around saying she’d be deposing Obama in 30 days. All of it nonsense. (I am STILL getting the occasional email forward that there’s a trial later this month in CA).

It will be interesting to see what happens from here. If Soetoro/Obama’s attorneys didn’t answer the earlier motion for judicial notice, will they respond to this one? Did they count on this old law never being found? Why isn’t it available online either at the official HI website or Cornell’s? Or, apparently, in any of the DC law school libraries? And, how will the court deal with it?

[American Constitutionalist]

" If Soetoro/Obama’s attorneys didn’t answer the earlier motion for judicial notice "

If one side does not answer a motion, doesn't that mean that they don't contest it ? and if they don't contest it, what implications would that have ?

[bitt]

I’m with ya - BUT...

we seem to be getting closer to TSHTF moments...(gee, I like that shortened expressive bunch of letters!)

so start paying attention to the pings - I’ll send to you if there’s something really cool you’re not reacting to...

[EDINVA]

Yes, typically if a motion is not opposed, whatever the ‘relief’ being sought might be, is granted.

BUT, in reading the above excerpt, it sounds like Soetoro/Obama didn’t answer an earlier motion for judicial notice. The court ordered them to ‘show cause’ and explain why they didn’t respond. According to Hemenway, they filed something called a show of cause, that wasn’t actually a show of cause. So, having not answered, presumably because they had no objection, the court still required them to respond, rather than granting the ‘relief’ sought. It seems they were offered another ‘bite of the apple.”

I don’t think the Soetoro/Obama team has much cared to date about what is filed. So far, they have been aided not only by the courts, but by some of those challenging his eligibility, who were more visible than others. They are convinced that no judge will take on a case about the eligibility of this historic president, and that’s all they need. Hopefully, some judge or judges will force the issue and not be concerned with the political aspect so much as the legal.