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Va. woman fails to give up child to ex-partner
iWon News ^ | January 1 2010 | BEN NUCKOLS

Posted on 01/01/2010 2:04:35 PM PST by Skooz

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To: dschapin
It would be morally wrong for this mother to allow her daughter to be molested by her former lesbian partner.

Well, then Ms. Miller needs to show evidence and prove that her former lesbian lover has in fact molested the child.

Would you subject the child to sexual abuse just to punish the biological mother for the bad decisions she made in the past - for which she has since repented?

Any sexual abuse would be a criminal matter and as far as I can tell, neither of the women have been charged with molestation of a child.

And yes, simply because a person repents for their past actions, does not absolve them of responsibility and commitment.

If that were the case, we could open the prison doors on Monday morning and let out all those prisoners who have repented.

For that matter, we could release everybody from contracts simply because they have claimed to have found religion.

101 posted on 01/01/2010 7:56:04 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: dschapin
The judges actions and the laws of VT are morally wrong and thus should not be followed.

This goes a little deeper than the courts of Vermont as courts in Virginia and the SCOTUS have agreed with that VT Court.

102 posted on 01/01/2010 8:00:39 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Skooz
Isabella was born to Miller through artificial insemination in 2002.

Well, if Jenkins can prove that she is the father, then Miller can give her visitation rights. Otherwise, I believe that child visitation sould be between father and mother only.
For artificial insemination, it should only be the mother. (Tough cookies, Jenkins).

What the hell is wrong with these judges?

103 posted on 01/01/2010 8:10:54 PM PST by chemicalman
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To: SeaHawkFan; Cathy

Jenkins never adopted Isabella or even tried to.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=81022155363


104 posted on 01/01/2010 8:12:48 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Revelation 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.)
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To: trumandogz
because they have claimed to have found religion.

Lisa Miller has a 6 year record of a changed life.

Her daughter was never adopted by the lesbian either.

105 posted on 01/01/2010 8:14:41 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Revelation 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.)
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To: misterrob
Now she wants to say that she doesn’t have to follow the rules of that the state and its judiciary.

The child was born in Virginia and has lived her whole life, except for 16 months in Virginia, which does not recognize homosexual unions.

106 posted on 01/01/2010 8:18:31 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Revelation 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.)
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To: chemicalman
“Well, if Jenkins can prove that she is the father, then Miller can give her visitation rights. Otherwise, I believe that child visitation sould be between father and mother only.
For artificial insemination, it should only be the mother. (Tough cookies, Jenkins).”

So if a married couple undergoes IVF due to the husband's infertility and they are later divorced, the husband who acted as father has no paternal rights?

107 posted on 01/01/2010 8:34:48 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

“Lisa Miller has a 6 year record of a changed life.
Her daughter was never adopted by the lesbian either.”

So, it is your view that after six years of a “changed life” that we should no longer be held responsible for the actions we took while leading a lifestyle that you object?


108 posted on 01/01/2010 8:41:34 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

If that is the case, where does Jenkins have a claim?


109 posted on 01/01/2010 8:44:41 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: trumandogz

Absolutely not. She still has to pay the piper. But this is obviously a miscarriage of justice when a judge can create law from the bench.

Since when does being a sinner means you have to pay for a bad ruling from a bad judge?


110 posted on 01/01/2010 8:46:23 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: SeaHawkFan
I’m rooting for the bio-mom.

Yeah, I hope she finally finds a nice wife to settle down with and raise her daughter.
Go, bio-mom.

111 posted on 01/01/2010 8:47:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeaHawkFan

They had a civil union in Vermont. A judge in Vermont gave credence to the lesbian ex and gave her parental rights even though the child was born and raised in Virginia. The lesbian ex never sought to adopt the child and never expressed any desire to do so until she discovered that her ex (the child’s mother) had become a Christian.


112 posted on 01/01/2010 8:48:44 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Skooz

The poor, poor child...everyone else involved has a room reserved in he!!.


113 posted on 01/01/2010 8:58:10 PM PST by gogeo (Lefties...making small minded pettiness seem...well, fashionable.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Bad judge?

Courts in VT, VA and the SCOTUS are on board with the current decission, there is nit another court where Ms. Miller can go.


114 posted on 01/01/2010 8:58:21 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Answer: DNA

That confuses me...has Jenkins adopted the child? Is Jenkins listed on the birth certificate?

Any other stepparent would have no legal standing. Why is Jenkins different?

115 posted on 01/01/2010 9:01:55 PM PST by gogeo (Lefties...making small minded pettiness seem...well, fashionable.)
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To: trumandogz

The good news is that Fairfax County officials have declined to investigate the matter, when contacted by the lesbian.


116 posted on 01/01/2010 9:20:51 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Which lesbian?


117 posted on 01/01/2010 9:34:44 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: gogeo

Jenkins never adopted the child and never wanted to. When she did have visitation rights she rarely exercised them.


118 posted on 01/01/2010 9:34:54 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: trumandogz

The one who is currently a lesbian, the one who has no biological or adoptive ties to the child.


119 posted on 01/01/2010 9:35:38 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: trumandogz
If it were his sperm, then I think he would have rights.

I had to go through a nasty situation simular. But not going into details.

120 posted on 01/01/2010 10:37:27 PM PST by chemicalman
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