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Cross The River Burn The Bridge (Mark Steyn On Where We're Headed With Obamacare Alert)
National Review ^ | 12/26/2009 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 12/26/2009 9:54:33 AM PST by goldstategop

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Obamacare isn't about health care or socialized medicine or insurance exchanges or death panels. Those are details that obscure the big picture. And the big picture is the creation of a permanent left of center political culture. Once it becomes law, it can be adjusted here and there but repealing it will be impossible. America will have been changed forever. And nations obsessed with Big Government programs are already on the fast track first to decline and then to oblivion. That's the real meaning of Obamacare.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

1 posted on 12/26/2009 9:54:33 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

More like “Set the bridge on fire, then have everyone run across it as fast as they can. Those who won’t run will be fined.”


2 posted on 12/26/2009 9:55:56 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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“The monstrous mountain of toxic pustules sprouting from greasy boils metastasizing from malign carbuncles that passed the Senate on Christmas Eve”

Mark certainly nailed the description.


3 posted on 12/26/2009 9:58:39 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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Why can it not be repealed? 2010 Elections, impeach and deport the Kenyan, fire all his czars, then repeal this flawed legislation. It can be done, the 2010 elections are the key.


4 posted on 12/26/2009 9:59:54 AM PST by Concho
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I agree.

While the taxation will start immediately, and no doubt be spent as fast as collected, the “benefits” don’t start ‘till after the next presidential election.

Turn the bums out, shut down the taxes, then kill the program.

With some luck, we’ll only be out a year’s worth of extortion, which isn’t good, but would be nothing close to the disaster intended.


5 posted on 12/26/2009 10:07:28 AM PST by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: goldstategop

They do as they please without any concern whatsoever of the things in this article.

That is the real problem, not health care. Not cap a trade. As long as all us idiots keep arguing about health care we are lost.

The lefties have learned a new trick, idiots. They figured out they can have and do whatever they please so long as they let us have our castrated version of our second amendment. As long as we have a 100 year old technology of a firearm in our closet at home we can keep telling ourselves how free we are and pat ourselves on the backs.

We are idiots and we deserve what we get.


6 posted on 12/26/2009 10:08:20 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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You think Obama is going to allow the GOP to repeal his signature achievement? Fat chance.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

7 posted on 12/26/2009 10:11:27 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Yes. And the Republican Party has drawn a line in the sand. We believe that it is unconstitutional for the government to force people to buy insurance. The Democrats disagree.

That should be THE defining issue of 2010. That and the economy. Americans don’t like being told what they can and cannot do.

Even Snowe and Collins voted the right way when push came to shove. We need to get as many Republicans elected as we can.


8 posted on 12/26/2009 10:13:51 AM PST by AzaleaCity5691
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The ‘pressure cooker’ of horrendous waiting times imposed by the Canadian health care system has always been allowed an escape valve by simply coming south into the US. When our waits are as long or longer than theirs....THAR SHE BLOWS!!!!
9 posted on 12/26/2009 10:20:00 AM PST by JPG (Al Gore, the several million degree man.)
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You think Obama is going to allow the GOP to repeal his signature achievement? Fat chance.
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I agree , it simply won’t happen at the Federal level ,, but if we give him 20 or 30 different state fights we could win or delay until we can win at the Federal (probably SC) level.


10 posted on 12/26/2009 10:22:30 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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The government just put a death sentence on ourselves when we get old or inefficient to the state & we are sitting here - playing on the internet - instead of all-out rioting & in the faces of every scum that is in CONgress. Then people here say there will be a change at election time. Might be the best joke of the yr.
11 posted on 12/26/2009 10:24:33 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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WHAT IS THE IRRESISTABLE AND UNREPEALABLE ATTRACTION OF GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE DESPITE ITS FAILURES?
Simple: The vast majority just want routine doctor visits and bones set after an accident without worrying about paying a bill afterward. Most people don't care about those needing major medical or the elderly who are about to die anyway as long as most get their pills and emergency care for their first 60 years or so. And face it, the complainers die in short order and won't be voting much past one election cycle. No matter how badly the system treats 20% of the people, the other 80% of relatively healthy people will not ever be convinced to give up their "free" care.
12 posted on 12/26/2009 10:29:25 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Concho

The 2010 elections may allow us to take back the House, but we won’t be able to get a super-majority in the senate. Didn’t they sneak a provision into this bill that it would require 67 votes to repeal?

We need to start in on our congressmen again & try to stop it from ever going into effect. Tar & feathers might be needed.


13 posted on 12/26/2009 10:32:08 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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Quite frankly, I don't care if the bill was to create a profitable entity that was self-sustained and saved baby puppies from getting the needle.

The outrage here is that near 70% of the voters in this country wanted the bill dead and they spit in our eye and passed it anyway. That 70% will reach 95% once the idiots figure out what just got stuffed down the back of their shirts. They still think their health insurance problems just got solved. Give it a few years and see what they think then.

I don't just want it de-funded or repealed, I want 60 people prosecuted.

14 posted on 12/26/2009 10:40:09 AM PST by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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"Didn’t they sneak a provision into this bill that it would require 67 votes to repeal"

yes but it is insignificant. All they have to do is repeal the law that says it takes 67 and change it to whatever they want. this is the least of our problems.

15 posted on 12/26/2009 10:42:21 AM PST by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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Last year I broke my hip. With in an hour and a half of arriving at the hospital I had an X-Ray, CAT Scan, and an MRI. Within 10 hours they had drilled a hole in my leg and I was in traction.

I have to snicker when my cousins from Canukistan tell me how great their Health plan is, it is true that they can get Cuban Cigars and rum but I don't think that that compensated.

16 posted on 12/26/2009 10:48:44 AM PST by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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Only one problem there. 80% do not approve of this in the first place.


17 posted on 12/26/2009 10:50:51 AM PST by Michael Barnes
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“Looking at the millions of Americans it leaves uninsured, and the millions it leaves with worse treatment and reduced access, and the millions it makes pay significantly more for their current health care, one can only marvel at Harry Reid’s genius: government health care turns out to be all government and no health care. Adding up the zillions of new taxes and bureaucracies and regulations it imposes on the citizenry, one might almost think that was the only point of the exercise.”

Steyn again shows his ability to distill things into clarity.

As I’ve said, I only hope he’s still around to keep me (at least) laughing as we’re led off to the rice fields.


18 posted on 12/26/2009 10:52:30 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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If the health care bill is going to have so revolting an impact upon the majority of voters, then it is not irreversible.

The real risk is that the health care bill (or is follow-ups) “works” in some limited sense and tempts the American populace into an American version of the corrupt “social democratic” bargain in Europe — government relieves you of most of the risk of living in capitalist society, while also denying you many of the rewards. Lots of liberals and Europeans will defend that bargain, but it is basically hopeless when married with a sharply-declining birth rate and fierce competition from the developing world...


19 posted on 12/26/2009 10:54:03 AM PST by only1percent
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My Republican friends often seem to miss the point in this debate . . .


20 posted on 12/26/2009 10:56:05 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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