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Vermont court eyes value of love of man's best friend
AP (through Yahoo! News) ^ | December 17, 2009 | Dave Gram

Posted on 12/17/2009 9:37:36 AM PST by Ebenezer

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To: rrstar96

Currently, the only sane law must treat dogs as property. This is because dogs have no sense of personal responsibility, nor can they be held to account for irrational or violent actions. When a strange dog approaches a person, they cannot tell its intentions. It could be deadly.

That being said, this could radically change. Most mammals share a gene sequence called “FOXP2”, but only humans have a unique mutation to that gene. It is associated with several aspects of speech.

Experimentally, it has been put into mice, who were then observed to be “chatty”, and have an enhanced vocal range.

If put into dogs, it is unlikely that they would be able to converse, but they *might* be able to say some words in context. This is very different from the endless videos of dogs supposedly speaking on YouTube. This would be a dog truly communicating an idea.

But if a dog was able to signal hostile intentions, or friendly intentions, only then can the law consider any special value to the life of a dog.


21 posted on 12/17/2009 10:26:08 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Cheesel

Are you being sarcastic? Sorry it is hard to tell online. :)


22 posted on 12/17/2009 10:26:29 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
Do you own or have you ever owned a dog?
23 posted on 12/17/2009 10:28:55 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: verity

Yes, I have but not since I was little. I did cry when our next door neighbor had to put her lab to sleep. I also cried when my inlaws lost their dog. I love animals and it is very sad to lose one. That being said, anyone who thinks and prays for their DOG everyday and anyone who misses their DOG more everyday than they did the last needs emotional help.

I have also lost a baby. While the loss of my child still hurts, the pain doesn’t increase everyday. If it did I would be a mental case. The pain was nearly unbearable when it happened. Healthy people cry, mourn, and heal a little everyday.


24 posted on 12/17/2009 10:36:37 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Apparently I misconstrued your comment.

Nevertheless, the grieving process is complicated, non-linear, and not the same for everyone.


25 posted on 12/17/2009 10:47:41 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, the article says that they were visiting relatives, which could lead to the assumption that this dog had never been there before, so it seems strange that this guy would shoot a dog the first time he ever saw it. Does he shoot all dogs that are in his yard? Maybe there was some friction between him and the relatives that were visited prior to this? Either way, it just doesn’t seem right that someone would just shoot a dog first and not even yell at it to leave, or yell over to the neighbors to get their dog out of his yard. I can also believe that some people can become as emotionally attached to their dog, as they would their child.


26 posted on 12/17/2009 10:53:37 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Perhaps they aren’t healthy?


27 posted on 12/17/2009 10:56:08 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: rrstar96
Dustin, 76, has said he was aiming at the dog's rear end. He did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment Wednesday.

He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of animal cruelty and was given a year probation. He also was ordered to perform 100 hours of community service and pay $4,000 in restitution to the Scheeles.

Sarah Scheele gave up her work as a meeting planner and has devoted her time since the dog's death to advocating for animal welfare and caring for the six special-needs dogs

The Scheeles don't need a lawyer; they need a nurse.

28 posted on 12/17/2009 10:59:06 AM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

At least in Indiana the law was anyone killing a dog wothout cause,i.e. it wasn’t threatening him or his livestock,but simply wandered onto his property could be fined $50 and I tink,charged with a misdemeanor.Since the law was passed inflation should have pushed the penalty to $100 but I don’t know if it has been revised.


29 posted on 12/17/2009 10:59:35 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: stuartcr

Yes that was my original point. :)


30 posted on 12/17/2009 11:24:35 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Most dogs signal friendly or hostile intentions through vocalizations, and their body language.

Very few dogs attack without giving warning.


31 posted on 12/17/2009 12:02:55 PM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Perhaps that is why they seem unable to cry, mourn, and heal a little everyday, like you did. I’m sure you’ll agree that their problems don’t lesson their pain any though.


32 posted on 12/17/2009 12:15:06 PM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: algernonpj

That’s not good enough, because by then, the dog may be so close that it can close the gap in a second, lighting may not be optimal, and it may have a physical or mental problem, or training, that makes it hyperaggressive.


33 posted on 12/17/2009 1:33:30 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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