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1 posted on 12/15/2009 12:27:52 PM PST by LdSentinal
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Here is what Dean is doing, from a political perspective.

He knows that the Reid bill is a huge step forward toward a single payer system and complete nationalization of health care.

The Reid bill essentially transforms health insurance providers into instrumentalities of the government.

Dean knows that the government intrusion into and control over the market will mean that after regulation takes effect the essential business model of private companies providing health insurance on a for-profit basis will become unfeasible.

Dean knows the Rats now have the 60 votes in the Senate, and that Pelosi will get behind Obama and Reid on this.

So Dean is positioning himself for his OWN political future. He knows he can safely do this now that the Rats appear to be able to pass a bill.

Dean’s base is in the far left. He will now sit on the sidelines and wait for the inevitable “failure,” because of this government control, of the “private market” to provide “affordable” insurance for “working families.”

Dean will become champion of the single-payer solution that will “solve” the problem of the “failure” of private insurance companies caused by the Obama-Reid-Pelosi bill.

He is now simply positioning himself for that role.


45 posted on 12/15/2009 1:17:01 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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THUD


48 posted on 12/15/2009 1:21:25 PM PST by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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I've been saying this for some time: They (the WH and Dim leadership) are in a no win situation. One the one hand, they can only pass it by making it so weak they will lose their base. On the other hand, If they don't pass it...they lose their base because they failed to accomplish anything. Then on the other side is the rest of America who doesn't want it....but If BHO has a FAILED campaign promise...he will get pummeled with that even though people don't want it.

Its a no win situation for them...and its beautiful to watch.

51 posted on 12/15/2009 1:25:11 PM PST by NELSON111
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Howard Dean: “Kill The Senate Bill”

In a blow to the bill grinding through the Senate, Howard Dean bluntly called for the bill to be killed in a pre-recorded interview set to air later this afternoon, denouncing it as “the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate,” the reporter who conducted the interview tells me.

Dean said the removal of the Medicare buy-in made the bill not worth supporting

The radical socialist left is raising a ruckus....but Reid & especially the commie pig 0bozo will do ANYTHING necessary (bribes, threats, warnings, breaking legs, etc) to get this monstrosity passed. The demoRATs know full well that all they have to do is to some version of anything passed, and let subsequent amendments take care of the full socialist gubmint takeover afterwards, including the public option & removing any ban on abortion.

52 posted on 12/15/2009 1:27:40 PM PST by rcrngroup
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Even if Dean doesn’t want to kill it, the Daily Kooks do and are exploding. A sample post that will do your heart good:
“Right now there is discussion that Obama is talking about a budget deficit commission where reductions to SS and Medicare will be on the table! Let’s see, what else can Obama do to decimate the middle class?!! What a disaster he’s turning out to be!”


53 posted on 12/15/2009 1:30:49 PM PST by Lou Budvis (She never bankrupted Alaska nor bowed to royalty.)
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Howard Dean, lunatic left-winger Democrat gets it. POTUS Obama wants a healthcare bill passed, no matter what is in it. Obama has done nothing but sit on the sidelines as the bill formed and moved through the Senate and the House. Fact is, Obama does not have a clue as to what is in the bill!!! Dean, however, is smart enough to realize that POTUS Obama is a failure as POTUS across the board and...if Dean and other Democrats side with him, Obama will take them down with him as he flushes down the obscurity toilet drain. Howard Dean, nutcase that he is, clearly sees the handwriting on the wall. “Drop Obama like you would drop a bad habit!!!”


55 posted on 12/15/2009 1:32:08 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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Broken clock/twice a day.


56 posted on 12/15/2009 1:33:14 PM PST by BJClinton ("Worse" technically is "change".)
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just like Roland Burris, it’s personal

(if you were a Democrat who got screwed by Obama, wouldn’t you pick this moment above all others to pile on? If I am right Gov. Patterson will be opposing this bill next)


57 posted on 12/15/2009 1:33:35 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Howard has the right idea for the wrong reason.


58 posted on 12/15/2009 1:33:51 PM PST by depressed in 06 (Tea parties today, Lexington tomorrow.)
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The Dems see how public support for the bill is in the dumps, but they don’t want to piss off the radical Left and their SEIU buddies. It could be that Dean is looking for a face-saving way to let the bill die.


61 posted on 12/15/2009 1:40:02 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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Dean: “Kill The Bill!”??

But... but... doesn’t he know this is an HISTORIC bill, like everything must be with this administration? /total sarcasm


63 posted on 12/15/2009 1:45:43 PM PST by drierice
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Dean: “Trust me. I’m a DOCTOR”.


64 posted on 12/15/2009 2:00:59 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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Here's a more thorough look at CBS.

Relevant quote: "Under the process of reconciliation that Dean is advocating, Democrats could overcome a Republican filibuster and pass a bill with just 51 votes. There may be enough senators in support of the public option to pass the measure via reconciliation. The reconciliation process, however, is limited to bills that pertain to budgetary matters -- so while the Senate could use it for any provisions that impact the budget, they would have to pass other reforms, like insurance regulations, in a separate bill. Democratic leadership has indicated they are not interested in using reconciliation for health care reform. "
66 posted on 12/15/2009 2:39:01 PM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than three years now -- But I think about it every day.)
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He wants to start over so they can use the nuclear option and not need 60 for a public option.


68 posted on 12/15/2009 2:43:07 PM PST by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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Their house is crumbling.


69 posted on 12/15/2009 2:43:22 PM PST by Islaminaction
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71 posted on 12/15/2009 2:59:00 PM PST by devolve
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Dr. Dean is a little petty man and this is his way of getting even with 0bama for not getting an appointment.


81 posted on 12/15/2009 3:51:36 PM PST by Taking Congress back in 2010
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The current bill with all its lunatic mandates is a monstrosity that will destroy the middle class.

I’d sooner have single-payer (with its tax increases and its ruination of our health care system) than this.


83 posted on 12/15/2009 3:56:22 PM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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Check out the latest on the health care reform debate from Sen. Tom Coburn, M.D., and Sen. John Barrasso, M.D., the Senate’s only two doctors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfr1SLC2sUM


96 posted on 12/15/2009 5:15:07 PM PST by seanhackbarth (Tom Coburn and John Barrasso Talk About Reforming Health Care)
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Are you guys missing the "Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill.” part?? Reconciliation == Nuclear Option. If they use the nuclear option, yes the bill will indeed be much simpler. They get to pass whatever they darned well please with 50 votes plus "plugs". Are you thinking they won't dare pass it with the nuclear option next year?
101 posted on 12/15/2009 5:32:36 PM PST by publana (Obama, you will not intimidate me into not voicing my opinions.)
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