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KSM and Obama are evil. Anything is possible with these two. The author opines Obama may declare martial law if he creates a crisis over the natural born citizenship issue. What are your opinions?
1 posted on 12/15/2009 7:28:47 AM PST by circumbendibus
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To: circumbendibus

There may be some merit in the argument.

From KSM’s viewpoint he wants to put OBAMA on trial and make OBAMA the enemy. At this point Bush means nothing to KSM. Bush is history in KSM’s mind.

Thus Obama may rue the day he brought KSM to NYC


32 posted on 12/15/2009 8:35:30 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: circumbendibus
Jack Kemp, not the politician of the same name

I guess not, seeing as the better-known Jack Kemp is 1)dead and 2)not a kook.

36 posted on 12/15/2009 8:46:13 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: circumbendibus; Danae; null and void; BP2; Candor7; STARWISE
"The author opines Obama may declare martial law if he creates a crisis over the natural born citizenship issue. What are your opinions?"

That depends on what the "crisis" is.

It would have to be a crisis ginned up unrelated to the NBC issue. If a court declared Obama ineligible, his orders would not be followed. I don't think Obama has broken a sweat over the NBC issue yet and he appears to have a deeply layered defense which is batting 1000 so far. He was very vulnerable before inauguration, but was protected because he was viewed as too precious to fail or vet by the media and all members of congress.

Now as president, only one federal judge, Judge Carter, has even opined that Obama is vulnerable to a quo warranto. We don't know whether any other federal court or SCOTUS will agree and this is dragging on towards Obama's renomination without resolution. Even if subject to quo warranto, we can't be certain that Obama will be judged non-NBC by the current SCOTUS. They refused to cert the issue when D'Onofrio gave them a chance (though it is not clear what the refusal was based on).

Some folks seem to forget that the 1948 BNA, which Obama has invited us to apply to himself, requires a legitimate non-bigamous marriage to pass UK citizenship to BHO II and 1902 Kenya Marriage Act seems to preclude legitimacy for the Dunham-Obama marriage. Illegitimacy as an exclusion to creating dual citizenship was accepted and known at the time that Chester Arthur's legitimacy was challenged.

Danae recently discussed and quoted 19th century investigator Collins as follows:

"A lawyer and scholar by the name of George D. Collins Esq. wrote an article regarding citizenship during Arthur’s term, that had the President seen it, would have concerned him. “Are Persons born Within the United States Ipso Facto Citizens thereof?” was published in the American Law Review in Sept. /Oct. 1884."

"Collins concludes:

"'Birth, therefore, does not ipso facto confer citizenship, and it is essential in order that a person be a native or natural born citizen of the United States, that his father be at the time of the birth of such person a citizen thereof, or in the case he be illegitimate, that his mother be a citizen thereof at the time of such birth.' – Collins"

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m12d14-Americas-Two-Unconstitutional-Presidents

Danae and others like D'Onofrio have focused on the part of Collins' quote regarding whether or not the father is a citizen, but in this passage Collins declares explicitly that if a baby is illegitimate, it can still be a natural born citizen if the mother is a citizen, as Obama's mom was.

On the "not born on US soil" issue, Obama has a COLB from HI which meets the federal rules of evidence as being "self-authenticating". This is an extremely high bar to refute, and at this point only a quo warranto hearing that would require Obama to produce "best evidence" would result in disclosure of the "vital records" underlying the COLB.

Following HI vital record disclosure a subsequent investigation of anything suspicious (whatever Obama has been hiding so desperately) would have to open up the possibility of a non-USA birth to threaten Obama. Then such evidence of a foreign birth would have to be authenticated for example by notoriously corrupt Kenyan authorities. If the vital records only show a home birth, but no smoking gun for a non-HI birth (evidence of foreign birth that meets federal rules of evidence), then ineligibility due to foreign birth will be a dead end. Hey, it is a long hard road, but well worth the effort!

39 posted on 12/15/2009 9:15:10 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: circumbendibus
As much as I would like this to be a valid argument, the only way it could possibly be would be if the trial was held before an Obama-appointed judge.

AG Holder is not an issue.

Yes, this is an idiotic move to give these terrorists the publicity they seek while continuing to blame the Bush administration for everything, but it is not a guaranteed walk for KSM.

The law is blind. It is not stupid.

41 posted on 12/15/2009 9:26:02 AM PST by MindBender26 (Never kick Dems when they're down. Wait 'till they're 1/2 way back up. You get much better leverage!)
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He could merely attain transcripts of the case attorney Orly Taitz won

Jack Kemp needs a grammar checker. He means obtain not attain.

42 posted on 12/15/2009 9:30:44 AM PST by CholeraJoe (I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter.)
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To: circumbendibus

This is such a huge blunder it’s unimaginable.


43 posted on 12/15/2009 9:31:22 AM PST by americanophile (Merry Christmas!)
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To: circumbendibus; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; ..
"Don't assume that Obama wants what most people want in America. If that were true, he never would have flown a 747 trailed by a jet fighter over Manhattan as if it were another 9/11 – or moved this trial to the New York federal courthouse. Why would you give the man who appointed a bunch of unaccountable, unconstitutional Czars and is involved in passing an unreadable healthcare bill in the middle of a Saturday night the benefit of the doubt?"

Everything 0bama has done has:

A. weakened America
B. strengthened islam
C. attacked Israel
...or some combination of the above.

Can you cite something -anything- of substance that he’s done that doesn’t fit A, B and/or C?

Bet you can't...

44 posted on 12/15/2009 9:34:00 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 328 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Nachum; muawiyah; blam; FromLori; onyx
Interesting wild card *ping*
49 posted on 12/15/2009 9:55:15 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: circumbendibus

BOMSHAKALACKA!!!

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=2268


64 posted on 12/15/2009 11:34:07 AM PST by danamco
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To: circumbendibus
KSM doesn't even have to research the citizenship matter much. He could merely attain transcripts of the case attorney Orly Taitz (won?) against the government in attempting to deploy a soldier overseas who claimed that Barack Obama wasn't a valid Commander-In-Chief. He could also use the public record of Philip Berg's testimony in his attempt to question President Obama's citizenship before the US Supreme Court.

If that possibility would reach the surface, that could make more damage and victims in the street than the 9/11 attack did???

65 posted on 12/15/2009 11:42:01 AM PST by danamco
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He could merely attain transcripts of the case attorney Orly Taitz won against the government in attempting to deploy a soldier overseas

The case Orly Taitz won? That's a laugh riot! The case was dismissed after the Army rescinded the soldier's deployment orders. The case never went to trial, yet stands as the closest thing to a courtroom victory the birthers have enjoyed during this entire eligibility circus.

69 posted on 12/15/2009 12:06:38 PM PST by Drew68
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To: circumbendibus; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

Thank you ... was gone all day.


74 posted on 12/15/2009 8:37:13 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: circumbendibus

obumpa


76 posted on 12/15/2009 9:29:30 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: circumbendibus

KSM will walk out of that courtroom a free man. That’s suits Baraq Sheik Obama just fine.


79 posted on 12/18/2009 5:51:18 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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