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Shining a Light On Shadow Economies (why derivatives are terrible)
Forbes Magazine ^ | December 14, 2009 | Hernando de Soto

Posted on 12/13/2009 4:47:03 AM PST by dennisw

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De Soto has the right idea that OTC derivatives should be traded publicly for all to see. OTC trading of derivitives is antithetical to our tradition of being able to trace financial paper to an asset


21 posted on 12/13/2009 12:50:29 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw; FromLori; katiekins1; All
Great quote from Lenin. Even Hitler had a few memorable quotes. So did Mao who said “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun” You can’t become a demonic dictator without having insights into human nature and how society works

Like the late night info-mercial..."BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!"...

Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed. - Ayn Rand

Absolutely terrific link at #11, dennisw. Thanks. Just glancing at #1 Introduction and #2 Flawed Economic Model. Did you know that Stiglitz was a "leading member" of UN's (UNaccountable bureaucrats) IPCC?

Fascinating. Thanks to you for linking and Tyler Durden at zerohedge. WOW!

Courtesy ping!!! (hey why didn't you guys ping me on this one...WT!*&#@^$) :)

22 posted on 12/13/2009 6:58:26 PM PST by PGalt
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Thank you for the ping. China was recently complaining about the worthless derivatives we sold them leaving some to speculate they may default themselves. If they did we would surely see a Black Swan event.

“For those who have been unsettled by gold’s corrective weakness in recent days, I’ve reprinted a reassuring letter below from a friend and longtime subscriber who also happens to be a U.K.-based gold-dealer and metals trader. Andy, as he is known in the Rick’s Picks chat room, is bullish as ever on gold and sees a potential “black swan” bearing down on the financial system in the form of a Chinese derivatives-default. This is a looming catastrophe that we’ve written about here before, as some of you may recall. The threat surfaced with an announcement byChina a couple of months ago that the government would take no legal action against its own banks if they walked away from derivatives deals gone bad.

Imagine what this would mean if you were running one of those banks yourself. In effect, it would allow you to build extremely risky derivatives positions, but with no exposure if they didn’t work out. Here’s an analogy: Picture yourself being allowed to use counterfeit money in a casino. You make huge bets in roulette, blackjack and baccarat, and although most of these bets lose, the casino pays your winners in real money. You bank the winnings — buy gold bars with it, perhaps — and continue to gamble with funny money until you’ve used it up.

Heads or Tails: Who Cares?

This, in effect, is undoubtedly what some Chinese banks are doing right now: laying highly leveraged bets all over town, knowing they won’t have to cover them if the derivatives market starts to implode again. Moreover, the mere fact that the Chinese government has promised legal amnesty to those who lose big at this game is probably causing the volume of such bets to explode. We’ll find out for sure when reality comes calling once again on the banking system, which, with the help of regulators and the central banks, has done little more than sweep a $600 trillion derivatives problem under the rug.

http://news.goldseek.com/RickAckerman/1260255720.php

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYH5edxx8gvc&pos=5

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/09/is-oil-derivatives-default-crisis-just.html

Capitalism always gets the blame and it is not the fault of capitalism. These bankers are pretend capitalists who want to rule the world. Watch the film link and description below...

Edward Griffin - The Capitalist Conspiracy: An Inside view of International Banking Written and narrated by G. Edward Griffin (1960’s) An old film, made sometime in the 60’s. This is an adaptation of a documentary filmstrip tracing the history of a small group of people who control the money systems of the world. It shows how this group is protected by governments and how its wealth is derived by creating money out of nothing. We see how this group wields power through government, foundations, education, and the mass media. It has aided such regimes as Russia and China, not because it is pro-Communist, but because a visible enemy and the threat of war have been useful in persuading the masses to embrace the group’s ultimate goal: a world government which they expect to control from behind the scenes. They are now working to replace fear of nuclear war with fear of global pollution as the motivation for world government. It is clear that the plan revealed in this program continues to unfold. Monopoly...all »

The Capitalist Conspiracy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6260646431723948415#


23 posted on 12/13/2009 7:38:06 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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Thanks Lori. You’re quick on the draw with firepower. Between post #11 and your links, I have enough reading material for this new week coming up. (Other posts/links from other threads might have to go on the back burner...so much info...so little time)

BTTT!


24 posted on 12/13/2009 7:46:12 PM PST by PGalt
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4, 7,12, 14 are the clips a with a lot of Hernando de Soto. Maybe other clips too. He is the only one worth listening too.

I didn’t know that about Stiglitz though I have heard his name


25 posted on 12/13/2009 10:10:03 PM PST by dennisw
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To: PGalt

Good Randian quote


26 posted on 12/13/2009 10:11:35 PM PST by dennisw
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To: PGalt

clip 10 too....hernando


27 posted on 12/13/2009 10:14:03 PM PST by dennisw
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Back to thread. Viewed #11 from post/link #6. Thanks again, dennisw. De Soto BTTT!


28 posted on 12/17/2009 7:18:16 AM PST by PGalt
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