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The Curious Case of Air Tran flight 297
The Marietta (Georgia) Daily Journal ^ | December 6, 2009 | Laura B. Armstrong

Posted on 12/06/2009 11:30:27 AM PST by campfollower

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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~~Sounding more and more confusing .. PING!

But, another witness has come forward. Something
WAS apparently very amiss on that flight. Why
is AirTran marginalizing everyone ???


61 posted on 12/06/2009 4:42:13 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

They don’t want to lose money and scare their customers away, especially not at this time of the year. And they probably don’t want another “flying imam” lawsuit. Tell you what. SOMETHING is going on with these muslims. They are pulling our strings every chance they get.


62 posted on 12/06/2009 4:50:20 PM PST by MestaMachine (Your CORE is the path you walk. RINOs don't walk paths, they build roads to nowhere..)
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To: RaceBannon; azkathy

This is really a well investigated, rather old story. It’s been on FR in much better detail before. Also, check out the extensive work AJC did on story. Actually, this paper’s details are rather inaccurate. Check it out.


63 posted on 12/06/2009 5:16:08 PM PST by MindBender26 (Never kick Dems when they're down. Wait 'till they're 1/2 way back up. You get much better leverage!)
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To: RaceBannon

Glad to see you noticed this situation too.


64 posted on 12/06/2009 5:23:18 PM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: MindBender26

Yes it has been on FR before, did you read this story linked here, http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17508

Douglas Hagmann stated the following, “As initially stated, proper and accurate investigation takes time to corroborate eyewitness accounts, which are often unreliable, contradictive and in cases like this, colored by emotion.

Having interviewed a total of seven-(7) individuals directly involved in this incident over the last several days, including two law enforcement officers who handled the after action reports, the situation pertaining to the initial 13 and remaining 10 or 11 Muslim men allowed to continue their travels was far greater than an incident involving the unauthorized use of a cell phone that resulted in a minor flight delay, as reported by the mainstream media.”

Seven witnesses corraborating that it was Muslim men and that they were clearly inflicting “physchological terrorism” on the passengers and flight attendants is something to be concerned about.


65 posted on 12/06/2009 5:31:59 PM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: MindBender26

Another thing, Climategate is rather old too but why are the mainstream news “journalists” just now starting to cover it?

Have you noticed that there are some things the MSM doesn’t want to cover? There are also events that some in Government just “wish would go away.” Unfortunately in this PC world we live in, if we wait for government to take care of us and tell us the truth we will end up in a socialist nightmare, taxed to death or worse yet, dead like the soldiers at Ft Hood.

The government didn’t do a very good job removing the terrorist in their midst now did it?


66 posted on 12/06/2009 5:38:14 PM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: STARWISE
Why is AirTran marginalizing everyone ???

Oh I dunno.

AirTran is in the business of getting people from point A to point B by stuffing them into pressurized metal tubes and squirting them through the stratosphere without a parachute.

Most people already think it's safer to drive than fly. It isn't.

If that changes to thinking it is more dangerous to fly than drive, they won't fly.

They won't buy AirTran tickets, and AirTran's CEO's children will want for shoes.

If terrorists succeed in instilling fear in people and altering their behavior, they have won. Why should AirTran help them win?

67 posted on 12/06/2009 6:10:24 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 319 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

Actually I heard a great marketing idea for commercial airlines the other day, if an airline company stated that they will have armed marshalls on every flight do you think that people would chose to fly with them or the ones that aren’t offering protection for their passengers?


68 posted on 12/06/2009 6:18:15 PM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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Of course the useful idiots will say that a single stray bullet would catastrophically depressurize the cabin and cause the airplane to crash.

Really. They think that...

See what a single bullet can do????

69 posted on 12/06/2009 6:26:01 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 319 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: campfollower; STARWISE

Schlussel update:

“Why is AirTran Lying About & Attacking Its Customers?: The Answers, Documents AirTran Won’t Provide”

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/13236/why-is-airtran-lying-about-attacking-its-customers-the-answers-documents-airtran-wont-provide/


70 posted on 12/06/2009 6:27:35 PM PST by Moe Tzadik
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To: campfollower

Or better yet, call your local newspaper or Fox News and ask them to look into it...


71 posted on 12/06/2009 6:34:37 PM PST by GOPJ (Climategate leaks? Taxpayers have a right to see tax funded research. Freeper dennisw)
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To: null and void
Why is AirTran marginalizing everyone ???

People should remember that AirTran is the former ValuJet, the airline that crashed a plane in Florida and cost then-Transportation Secretary Federico Pena his job. Pena immediately declared that ValuJet was safe and he'd still fly it. I believe they said the crash was due to shoddy maintenance that was outsourced to locations in Latn America.

AirTrans is no stranger to stonewalling the public.

-PJ

72 posted on 12/06/2009 6:52:31 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: null and void
A single bullet will not catastrophically depressurize an airplane.

This is a picture of an Aloha Airlines flight that had catastrophic fuselage failure. Aircraft fuselages are constantly being pressurized and depressurized every time they takeoff and fly. These are called cycles. If you take a piece of aluminum and bend it and unbend it over a period of time the metal will fail. This is metal fatigue. The Aloha fleet underwent lots of cycles from the many short hops they made around the islands. Despite the major fuselage failure the aircraft was still flyable and returned to land minus those passengers that neglected to fasten their seatbelts while seated.

Back to the original premise if you took a large bore handgun and fired a shot through the fuselage the air would begin to leak out, not a rapid decompression. If you took out some duct tape and put over the hole the depletion of air would cease. I think most Air Marshalls pack their guns loaded with anti-hijack ammo in the first few rounds. Even if they don't they probably aren't shooting armor piercing rounds so the average terrorist could easily absorb and deplete the energy without any problems. Maybe Myth Busters will do an episode on this one.

73 posted on 12/06/2009 6:55:25 PM PST by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal. Stop Global Whining Now.)
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To: Harley

Hmmm. I posted the same picture. Does it not show up?

I like your appeal to Mythbusters.


74 posted on 12/06/2009 6:59:50 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 319 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Harley
MythBusters Episode 10: Explosive Decompression, Frog Giggin’, Rear Axle

Explosive decompression can occur when a bullet is fired through the fuselage of a pressurized airplane, causing the hole to grow dramatically and possibly cause the plane to break up as seen in movies.

busted

The pressure is not high enough and the hole is too small. Explosive decompression only occurred when a hole the size of a window was made with explosives. Even then, the rush of air could not suck Buster completely out of the hole. Lastly, there are proven instances of explosive decompression where the plane was still able to maintain control and land.

(This myth was revisited in episode 38 and it was re-busted.)

75 posted on 12/06/2009 7:04:42 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: Dust in the Wind
*nevermind*
76 posted on 12/06/2009 7:12:56 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 319 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: campfollower

This is certainly not the first instance of a Piglam terrorist dry run.
Anyway, the last plane I ever boarded was in February 2001.
You won’t catch me on a plane, ever again.


77 posted on 12/06/2009 7:20:08 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: null and void

Hey, it was a good idea. I thought I remembered having seen it so did a search...


78 posted on 12/06/2009 7:22:11 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: campfollower

Thank the lord for good columnists like Laura Armstrong! Sounds like she’s an effective warrior trooper on the RIGHT side.


79 posted on 12/06/2009 7:30:55 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Shannon; Admin Moderator

Yes, noxious swede is a troll.


80 posted on 12/06/2009 7:31:07 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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