Posted on 12/06/2009 11:30:27 AM PST by campfollower
Clarification of post 99 that “Snopes needs to update; (it lists this story as)... false”, that refers to Northwest flight 327 in 2004, which is in fact quite TRUE as seen in the document from Homeland Security.
AirTran flight 297 is listed as “Mixture”. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/flight297.asp
I wonder what it will take for certain people to recognize that something significant happened on the flight. How much more info do they need? We have witnesses, we have obvious events such as a flight crew refusing to fly, we have passengers demanding to be off a flight... mis communication my A**. Only the truly arrogant, a fool, or a disinfo shill could consider this event a “non issue”
Petruna stands by his statements, with the exception of his description of the men’s attire. He also said he never witnessed the Muslims watching porn, as he said in the e-mail.
You clearly called him a liar of all sorts, yet if these 2 points are inaccurate (and I also wonder why he is saying this now), yet still insists the others are correct, He still sounds half way credible since two more persons have come forward.
He never made 297. Went on a later flight. AirTran has manifests. He was in gate house when 297 taxied back in, but he SAW nothing himself.
He is the ONLY one who says Arabic people are involved. He has admitted taking “artistic license” with his descriptions. In other words, he made a lot of it up.
Sorry, but it's all way overblown BS
STOP RIGHT THERE
What are you going to say if he produces his ticket??
I used to fly for work and United lost records on me several times. 2 flights, one FROM China and 1 TO Florida
I missed a flight once out of DC and they lost the record of me getting transferred to another flight,too
So dont expect me to believe their manifest just because they say so! NOT at all!
When I made them look up the data, it was only through financial records could they prove I paid for a flight and therefore had to be on it because there was some record that way of it being me, but their passenger manifest was WRONG!
So dont go blindly believing the airline until this guy fails to produce his ticket and boarding pass!! He may be speaking to lawyers already with them!
They are also claiming time issues as “proof” that he wasn’t on the plane. Well, I used to work for an airline, and used ACARS... the tool that pulled the gate times into our tracking database. The time devices were inaccurate as heck. We had to clean up the time stamps all the time. It was a big hassle. So, I wouldn’t have any confidence on flight time data.
His Ohio-ATL flight was delayed. IT DID NOT LAND in ATL until 22 min AFTER 297 pushed back the first time. It did not hit the gate until 26 min after 297 pushed back.
This is confirmed from AirTran and ATC records. Check it out on Flight Aware.
He could not have seen what he claims to have seen since he was still 60+ miles away from ATL, in the air, on another flight when it happened!
He now admits he used “Artistic License” on the part involving “Arabic clothing.” Artistic License is fine when writing fiction. In reporting, it's called “lying.”
Everyone else agrees there was a confrontation. No one else says Arabic people were involved.
The Chaplain SAW or HEARD nothing because he was not on the flight on the original pushback. His info is all 3d hand. The guard service company owner says there was a verbal confrontation, but that's all, and does NOT say they were Arabic.
It simply does not stand up.
You are wrong about this not being Arabic or Muslims.
Dr Keith Robinson confirms that it was “Muslim Men” but you are so busy trying to convince people that “nothing happened” you have minimized the situation several times.
I personally don’t trust the AJC. If you truly have 30+ years of media experience then you should clearly understand that the Media is complicit and negligent in news coverage.
One other thing, I learned long ago, when I got fed-up with biased media coverage-”consider the source.”
That being said, I looked up your FR page and found this extremely interesting, “Now DC, London and Tampa based political consultant/media trainer for DOD, USDOJ, USDOS, Republicans and UK Conservative Party ONLY.”
So, who are you “consulting/training” for these days? AirTran, DOD or USDOJ?
where did you see his boarding pass?
Interesting. Good catch. I know for a fact that you can hire people to “work” forums. If you do a google search you can find tons of companies that do this type of thing.
Dr Robinson did not SEE or HEAR any of this personally! He only heard about it from others!
Way back in Post 36, you said he made it all up to get back at them for not bouncing the standby guy who got his seat. You have not yet provided a source for that assertion. Could you please do so?
It’s simply my belief as to his motive since we now know he could not have seen what he claimed to see and he admits he made up a lot of the story. It,s either that or he is psychotic. Let’s look at larger issue. Why are we so willing to jump to conclusuions once the magic word “muslim” is mentioned. How quicly would recognise this was all BS if story (equally BS) had been US Army or friendly fores speaking another language rather than the easy target muzzies? We believe what we want to believe.
It’s simply my belief as to his motive since we now know he could not have seen what he claimed to see and he admits he made up a lot of the story. It,s either that or he is psychotic. Let’s look at larger issue. Why are we so willing to jump to conclusuions once the magic word “muslim” is mentioned. How quicly would recognise this was all BS if story (equally BS) had been US Army or friendly fores speaking another language rather than the easy target muzzies? We believe what we want to believe.
Oh, so you used “artistic license” in your post about the issue??? So according to your logic, your entire post was BS! LOL LOL LOL!!!!!
This is not about Petruna, as much as MindBender wants it to be. This is about information regarding the what, who, and why provided by the AJC sourcing AirTran and the TSA, that is so sketchy, so incomplete, and so illogical that it strains credibility among those of us who truly are thinking critically.
Notice that MindBender has scrupulously avoided addressing any of the points I've brought up to him on this and other threads. He has responded to my posts by disputing things I never wrote and addressing points I never made.
I still want to know how it is that:
1. Any self-respecting professional journalist would a) accept as legit an airline's claim that a passenger seated behind the offender told them she "believed" the guy was speaking Spanish (What do you mean "believed"? She couldn't tell?) and b) not immediately follow-up with the question: How would a passenger who only spoke Spanish pose a translation problem on an American domestic flight bound for Texas?
2. Out of group of at least a dozen passengers travelling together, not a single one of them was able to act as a translater for the one among them who knew no English and was unable to understand the flight attendant's request to turn off an electronic device (as if sign language couldn't absolutely ADEQUATELY convey that request in any case)?
Petruna has nothing to do with the real story. The real story is that officials, through their willing dupes in the MSM, are asking us to swallow a story that is clearly ridiculous. As I've said -- it's no more believable than if AirTran and TSA officials explained to AJC that Santa and his reindeer towed the plane back to the gate because Rudolph wanted to impress his girlfriend.
If MindBender is representative of a person who has worked for 35 years as a network TV reporter, then it absolutely explains why they MSM is as lame as it is.
WRONG again, Dr. Robinson was on the flight when it did take off and finally make its way to Houston. He personally witnessed the group of Muslim men.
You are correct Finny.
Mindbender didn’t answer my question about “who he is working for either.”
I personally am laughing at his unsuccessful disinformation campaign. In my opinion FReepers are smarter than that and much better at critical thinking.
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