Posted on 12/04/2009 4:47:27 PM PST by cycle of discernment
Nothing I have ever posted, on FR or elsewhere, identifies me as an Obama worshiper. That’s just ignorance or insanity on your part. I don’t know which.
I have read it already ver batim, read the EO...I understand it perfectly. I do not need you to school me on what Barack Obama did.
Thank you, very much.
NOT IN THE STATE OF HAWAII!
There are programs funded by the state for native-born Hawaiians that REQUIRE the long form as proof of birth in Hawaii!
Glad I could help.....
Yes it is.
There are programs funded by the state for native-born Hawaiians that REQUIRE the long form as proof of birth in Hawaii!
No there aren't.
“There were no restrictions on US citizens traveling to Pakistan in 1981.”
There were no prohibitions, true. However, American citizens were strongly advised by the State Department NOT TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN at that time!
Except his paternal grandma who was at his birth in Mombasa, and his sister (who said it was a different hospital).
BTW the newspaper birth announcement listed a house where they never lived as their residence.
“...when the director of public health for the state of Hawaii officially verifies that the state vital record also shows he was born in Hawaii...”
Since you are so fond of pointing out others’ misinformation:
The official said no such thing. I personally saw that official say there is indeed a birth certificate on file in the state records, but NOTHING about what was contained in it!
“No there aren’t.”
You’re childish, even for a TROLL.
That doesn't explain why the founding fathers would use a definition without explanation from a theoretical work casting aside a definition of citizenship familiar to all.
Why? Vattel's work was philosophical and theoretical. It may be useful if one wished to argue how things ought to be, but not as a handbook of laws as they existed.
One could be a native born Hawaiian and prove it going all the way back to Captain Cook and still not qualify for the state programs to which you refer because the programs are for native (ethnic) Hawaiians. It has to do with proving ethnicity, not citizenship.
Well, curiosity, since you are one of the usual suspects, as obamite apologists go, why don’t you post the law (cite, please) in 1961. After, if you are calling me a liar, back it up.
You are assuming it was "theoretical" in their eyes. It wasn't, any more than Blackstone's "Commentaries on the Laws of England", with which it was more or less contemporary. (1765-1769 for Blackstone, 1758 for Vattel). Blackstone's commentaries were presented first in oral form starting in 1753)
There was no such "familiar definition" of citizenship. There were definitions of natural born "subject". But being subjects of some royal ashhole was just what they did not want. Thus they chose, or accepted, a definition that would not allow the first generation progeny of European royalty to hold the office of Commander in Chief of the American Army. Using the "born in the country" definition (that was not really the pure case in England either) would have allowed some "peer" of the Relm to come over with a pregnant Royal wife, or marry some American wench, and then set up, using the ample purses of the "great families" of Europe, his progeny as President and Commander in Chief, and from their form a new Royal Line, in America.
To such a notion the founders, common men and more educated elites alike, would have said not only No, but Hell No.
To such a notion the founders, common men and more educated elites alike, would have said not only No, but Hell No.
I see, so the founding fathers wanted to make sure that no child of a peer born on US soil could grow up and run for president, even though no one would vote for him anyway.
Just like no one would ever vote for a left leaning Muslam sympathizer, just 8 years after several thousand Americans had been killed by radicial Muslims?
In a word, yes.
Yes she did. The following is a direct quote:
"Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i"
The full press release is at the following link:
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
I see, so in your mind, when someone says something is false, it is somehow childish for me to point that out.
What pray tell, in your world, are adults supposed to do when someone makes a false statement?
How can I post a law that doesn't exist?
Let me give you a hint. When you make a claim, like your assertion that under some unspecified 1961 law Obama would not be an American citizen even if born in Hawaii, then the burden is on you to back it up. The burden is not on those who would say your claim is false.
That is especially true if you won't even say which law you are talking about.
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