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Posted on 12/01/2009 5:56:47 PM PST by ricks_place
LOL - this guy's good!
I can hear GE's stock falling...
In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.
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As I tried to state. The counter to bad science is not more bad science. Both sides of this debate are slinging it around with little actual theory or fact to back up their positions.
The hypothesis of human activity producing global climate change is just that, a hypothesis. It is not established. Nor is it disproven. It remains a question that has not been settled. Whether it is worth settling is also a good question.
You, for instance, need to be careful about the nonsense you sling around in opposition to the nonsense from the other side. You forward the hypothesis could be caused by rat farts in the past just as by humans now. Well if rat farts produced global climate change then we are one step closer to establishing that human activities are causing global climate change now, and in fact what might have been argued to be a large leap suddenly is reduced to a tiny baby step.
It is the problem that conservatives have with science. So few of them actually understand it. This aspect of conservatism is really quite repulsive and drives a lot of otherwise intelligent scientists to become liberals. It is sad really.
That's funny. Do liberals become conservatives when peer review becomes farce?
That would make sense, but that is not what the quote of the article said he said, which, as I have expressed before, raises my real concern that the counter global warming crowd is every bit as wreckless with fact, unscientific, and unscrupulous in political aims as are the pro global warming crowd.
The future of conservatism has to be in fact and rational debate, not this conservative counter slang for every liberal slang. Liberals are at least cute. Conservatives rarely are.
Were you influenced to become conservative by the beliefs of other conservatives? I certainly don't think myself or many I know were and instead became conservative by an ability to rationally recognize certain truths about human nature and behavior and a fair dose of good ol common sense. You know have our permission to step down off your highhorse.
I actually love science and I am a trained Aerospace Engineer. The issue is that the science used by the “global warming” crowd is flawed. Mixed models, corrected to match real data with no scientific rational reason to do so, with very unclean messy data, is very flawed. I did not say that humans have had no effect. I am saying it is just as likely that any warming now (based on flawed and very messy data) is cause by non human activity as human. Along with the very determined attempt to be less than forthcoming on facts, the Goreonians make my “bad” science alert sound clearly. If I had an Engineer come to me with this data and theory, I would tell them to get real.
You absolutely would NOT believe how many people have not heard a single word about this YET ! Even friends who are conservative and pretty on top of things haven’t seen a word of this blockbuster news. They have us by the b*lls folks. Total control over the new media.Note tag line.
I mean really. Let’s build a googletrillian dollar baseball glove in space to catch alien baseballs the size of the moon because we can’t prove they don’t exists and are not coming toward us know clocked with alien technology. We must save the Earth.
Corrected spelling... Sorry.
I mean really. Let’s build a googletrillion dollar baseball glove in space to catch alien baseballs the size of the moon because we can’t prove they don’t exist and are not coming toward us now clocked with alien technology. We must save the Earth.
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Not exactly. They now have to produce something from Copenhagen. Their brainwashed sheeple assume their future world depends on that meeting. After that agreement, we will have them by the balls. The sheeple will have just watched their entire future lives, signed away to eco-slavery. And then during the deepest and darkest hours of the Progressive Dark Ages, we arrive with the keys. Not a betting person myself, but the entire situation could make for a decent nexus for a global revolution. We will be following in the steps of the Free People of Honduras. Removing our dictators and saving our people. Theoretically speaking of course.
Unfortunately, with all BS being sprayed by the perps, such an "independent review" is impossible, until all the tentacles of the conspiracy are identified.
To my knowledge, no such attempt to identify them all has even been started!
We know that there are at least 43.
It would not surprise me if there are twice or three times that number worldwide.
Needless to say they are all instantly disqualified for membership in any "independent review panel!"
I think you are right about the Progressive Dark Ages.I think it will end there .
They don't use science. When you fudge data, use inappropriate models, and bend interpretations to fit your theory that is not science. No more is it science to state that because they are guilty of research misconduct and fraud their hypothesis is false.
Their hypothesis is no more false because of what conservatives say than it is true because of what they say. The truth value of the hypothesis is unknown. Period.
387 ppm is .000387. 1000 times that is .387.
Oops. I forgot we’re talking percent. So, the corrected numbers would be .0387%. 1000 times that is indeed 38.7%. I was confused because you had both in your example. He must have meant 10 times higher, because they’ve definitely been that high in the past (.387%).
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