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Tale of Two Creation Films Denied First Amendment Rights on Darwin's Anniversary
ChristianNewsWire ^ | November 25, 2009

Posted on 11/25/2009 7:56:35 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: GodGunsGuts

First the creation group doesn’t have a right to display their film to anyone who doesn’t want it.

Secondly, the creation group doesn’t do science, they do propaganda.


61 posted on 11/26/2009 8:14:47 AM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: tacticalogic

If you want to, you can watch the creation movie until you are blue in the face, and dumber than you are.

See, you have rights!


62 posted on 11/26/2009 8:16:18 AM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: GodGunsGuts

This statement shows that you lack a basic understanding of science.

I.D. currently has not testable hypothesis.


63 posted on 11/26/2009 8:24:11 AM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: donmeaker
If you want to, you can watch the creation movie until you are blue in the face, and dumber than you are.

But you're violating my rights if you don't believe it's science, or that evolution is religion.

64 posted on 11/26/2009 8:29:40 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I wonder why they don’t rent a conference room at the Ramada and show it there. They have plenty of venues to exercise their free speech.


65 posted on 11/26/2009 8:30:53 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: tacticalogic

I don’t know that any criteria, other than being creationists, was applied.

Do you what criteria was applied and whether it was different from that applied to other renters?


66 posted on 11/26/2009 8:36:04 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Moonman62
I wonder why they don’t rent a conference room at the Ramada and show it there. They have plenty of venues to exercise their free speech.

Getting to advertise it as having been shown at a Ramada Inn just isn't the same.

67 posted on 11/26/2009 8:36:57 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: count-your-change

They only seem to be concerned with the content of the film. It appears that another film presented by creationists was accepted, so the claim that they were denied because they are creationists is suspect.


68 posted on 11/26/2009 8:41:08 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom
Is that going to be the argument for establishing the First Amendment violation? You're going to sue the State of Alabama for not finding the theory of evolution to be religious propaganda?

This is a great bit of twisted logic, but it did work for the Evo's in a simular way. Check out what Evo's did in the 30's and 40's in law and school;i.e., separation of Church and State. Does Separation of Church and State really exist in the Constitution? And don't tell me that Evo's had nothing to do with it, read all the biographies of the judges and ACLU lawyers that backed and passed that decision.

Will be back tonight; celebrating Thanksgiving, have a good one too.

69 posted on 11/26/2009 8:50:48 AM PST by celmak
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To: tacticalogic

Who is the “they” you mention and what are the two films you are talking about?

The article speaks of one film shown in Alabama and one not shown in California.


70 posted on 11/26/2009 8:51:08 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Moonman62
They don't get much. Mostly tax rate and some exemptions for utilities.

Funds are donation or membership dues. There are quite a few restrictions on how they can make their funds and how it's spent.

Also, most 501(c) organizations will take just about any opportunity to increase income. My question is the movie isn't advertised on the website, much less anywhere other than the article.

71 posted on 11/26/2009 9:29:14 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: celmak

Seems a bit of twisted logic on your part to say “the evos” did it. It ended up in the courts when Tennessee tried to make it illegal to teach evolution through the Butler Act.


72 posted on 11/26/2009 9:31:57 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Moonman62
I wonder why they don’t rent a conference room at the Ramada and show it there.

Public venue = Legitimacy.

73 posted on 11/26/2009 9:36:22 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I have yet to see any creationist threads, posts, books, movies, etc that had an iota of science in them.


74 posted on 11/26/2009 9:40:28 AM PST by Wacka
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To: tacticalogic

Right. And you violate my rights if you don’t believe in Zeus/Jupiter...

See, we can all get along.


75 posted on 11/26/2009 9:44:40 AM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: tacticalogic

Who is the “they” you mention and what are the two films you are talking about?

The article speaks of one film shown in Alabama and one not shown in California.


76 posted on 11/26/2009 9:50:46 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wacka

Sounds like a lack of science education on your part.


77 posted on 11/26/2009 11:26:11 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Ira_Louvin

I always get a chuckle when you project onto Creationists and IDers what your side is in fact guilty of...thands for the laugh :o)


78 posted on 11/26/2009 11:28:09 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: donmeaker

When it’s a taxpayer funded government institution, it’s called equal access. When they sign a contract and then break it, it’s breach of contract. No matter which way you slice it, the Temple of Darwin is in the wrong. And hopefully they will be made to pay...through the nose.


79 posted on 11/26/2009 11:31:34 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Pistolshot

From the the supporting foundation about 2 years ago:

Revenue
Primary Revenue $20,731,298
Other Revenue $6,916,912
Total Revenue $27,648,210

Expenses
Program Expenses $42,973,082
Administrative Expenses $2,197,270
Fundraising Expenses $1,176,193
Total Functional Expenses $46,346,545

Payments to Affiliates $0
Excess (or Deficit) for the year $-18,698,335

Net Assets $54,646,025


80 posted on 11/26/2009 1:08:21 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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