Posted on 11/17/2009 8:18:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
By DK "DK"
I've skimmed through this tome of IDiotic nonsense. Meyer's essay, yes, essay because he's not a scientist, biologist, evolutionist, nor did he do any original research for this tripe, he simply grabbed other people's work and massaged it to read the way he wanted, i.e., Darwin, science, and evolution cannot possibly be correct. It must all be the work of his supernatural being, i.e., god, that did it all. Sorry, that admission is no secret, that's what he tells all the church groups he talks to on his circut.
The editor's comments stated:
"A leading proponent of intelligent design in the scientific community, Meyer presents a compelling case that will generate heated debate, command attention, and find new adherents from leading scientists around the world."
In reality this book has done none of the above per the editor's glowing (but highly partisan comments). The book and the effort behind it are a total loss - the author continues to peddle it to the church groups he addresses, the scientifically ignorant choir to whom he preaches.
Thank you for making my point.
Now you have to be an Evo to comment on evolution... LOL!
And btw, you STILL haven't answered my question. I'm starting to think it's because you already know the answer will make you look bad. I'll ask it again just in case you're one of those people who needs to take extra time for simple questions sink in.
I repeat...you called Dr. Meyer an "idiot" for supposedly being in error about DNA being digital. If it turns that you are completely wrong (and Dr. Meyer is 100% correct), wouldn't it be more appropriate to call you the idiot?
Signature in the Cell:
DNA and the Evidence
for Intelligent Design
by Dr. Stephen C. Meyer
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I agree that DNA is digital, in that it's primary structure (simple sequence) encoding is in the form of discrete rather than continuous values, i.e. particular nucleotides.
But the "100%" emphatic goes too far. Although many of the aspects have, I think, yet to be well understood, DNA certainly also functions in analogue modes. My understanding of this subject matter is poor, but it seems pretty clear to me that things like, for instance, the complex manner in which DNA is packed and unpacked, must have a lot to do with tertiary structure (basically the 3-D shape of DNA).
This is kind of ironic, really, since you often say things like this:
And lets not forget the neo-Darwinian reductionist beads-on-a-string notion of genetics is being completely overturned by the new biology.
And yet here you are, treating DNA as if it's digital "beads-on-a-string" aspect represented "100%" of it's significance and all of how it's functions are encoded.
Equally ironic, you've also frequently derided "evolutionists" for assuming that "junk" (properly "non-coding") DNA is without function. (As with the "beads-on-a-string" argument, evolutionists don't actually assume this, you just say they do in furtherance of straw-man abuse.)
But certainly many aspects of non-coding DNA function have to do with analogue (continuously variable) factors, rather than digital (discrete, discontinuously variable) factors. For instance the functional significance of repeating DNA is obviously related to continuously variable factors such as the length and number of repeats.
Ooooooooo....that must mean something. Means to me that they allowed Creationism into the "science" category.
Dr. Meyer shows that the digital code imbedded in DNA points powerfully to a designing intelligence and helps unravel a mystery that Darwin did not address: how did the very first life begin?
Geeee....Dawin's book didn't address it because.....the origin of life has nothing to do with the differentiation of the species through evolution.
Who exactly is this mysterious designer?
Geeee....Dawin’s book didn't address it because.....the origin of life has nothing to do with the differentiation of the species through evolution.
Who exactly is this mysterious designer? “
Firstly, Meyer is agreeing with you that Darwin and evolution do not address the origin of life, and he is not being critical of either for not addressing it.
Secondly, ID does not attempt to identify the designer. Meyer admits that his personal belief is God, but that he cannot prove it, and ID does not try to prove it. None of that really detracts from the position that the complex, specific information in the DNA code is best explained, based on what we know now, by the intervention of an intelligent agent. We have seen such information come from intelligent agents, and only intelligent agents, and hence it stands now as the best explanation. If a better means for the origin of such information is demonstrated, then it will prevail I would presume. He attempts to show how chance and natural law does not explain it.
The way I see it is that all real things are subject to being mathematically described using digital coding (most often binary) processes.
Picture a beautiful rose, and say to yourself: "The world is analog."
Even a child ought to understand that DNA coding is binary, discrete, and thus digital.
Am I missing something?
Nope, not at all. You obviously get it. Now tell me, for the benefit of others, how hard was that to grasp?
How is DNA binary?
Please expand on your explanation.
What represents a 0?
What represents a 1?
It’s been almost 24 hrs and you still haven’t addressed post #7 yet.
When will you?
Too busy crying to mods on string theory thread where you inserted your idiotic keywords?
The keywords were thought up by your fellow evos, so what you say makes sense.
knot, not-a-knot, knot, knot, not-a-knot,...kind of like Morse code.
I saw the book in the store this evening, I think it was $28.99 list. Same price as Palin’s book, but much more lasting and metaphysical in its content. They had it hidden in the religion section.
It was right where it is supposed to be.
Still no explanation.
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