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“Think about it: unions will never achieve the best terms for workers when a large part of the workforce is illegal and operates in a shadow economy,”

And that is the rationale.

Unions are SOOOOO stupid. They don't realize that with an abundant labor force, they lose all bargaining power. They may think this Kenyan is on their side...but when they are all together in the unemployment line, will they all still love him?

1 posted on 11/13/2009 4:05:54 PM PST by markomalley
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TOTAL BS! This is UNRESTRICTED AMNESTY ON DEMAND! The “Courts” will GUT all those “requirements”!!!


30 posted on 11/13/2009 4:18:44 PM PST by 2harddrive
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This old bulldyke only spews what she is told. She has no qualifications to be running anything.

The communists just need illegals to win the vote, otherwise the communist democrats would just as soon see them dead.


31 posted on 11/13/2009 4:18:58 PM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: markomalley
by giving the estimated 14 million people who are in the United States illegally

Probably closer to 20 or 30 million. Sure to grow now that they can expect citizenship.

33 posted on 11/13/2009 4:20:12 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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Before we pass judgment we need to know exactly what is intended. Does it mean that these people should register as Democrats, or were they supposed to register for health care?
38 posted on 11/13/2009 4:24:46 PM PST by the_Watchman
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Amnesty will result in a massive fiscal burden on American taxpayers. Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, a widely recognized authority on the demography of welfare costs did an analysis of the net fiscal impact (benefits received minus taxes paid) of low-skill households (those lacking a high school diploma, including legal and illegal immigrant households) to the U.S. taxpayer. Rector has calculated that on average, once they become eligible, (10 to 13 years after they receive their green card) they will receive over $30,000 in benefits annually and pay approximately $9,000 in taxes. Thus, their net annual cost to U.S. taxpayers is nearly $21,000.

While eligibility for means-tested welfare theoretically would have been constrained during the first 10 to 13 years under an amnesty plan such as Hagel-Martinez, each amnesty recipient would have become eligible for welfare during the last 30 to 40 years of their life. Accepting the Census Bureau’s conservative estimate of 11 million illegal aliens currently in this country, Rector concluded that amnesty recipients would impose a likely net cost of $2.6 trillion dollars on American taxpayers.

These costs would mainly occur in two non-welfare programs (Social Security and Medicare) and in one means-tested program (Medicaid). Rector’s results are consistent with a 1997 “New Americans Study” by the National Academy of Sciences. If, as some recent studies have indicated, the actual number of illegal aliens in the U.S. is probably closer to the 20-30 million range, their net lifetime fiscal cost to American taxpayers could be more than double Rector’s estimate of $2.6 trillion.

The pro-mass-immigration crowd argues that today's immigrants are just like immigrants of a century ago: poor people looking for a better life who are expected to advance in our land of opportunity. The Nobel Prize-winning advocate of a free market, Milton Friedman, best summed up the essential difference between the two waves of immigrants. He said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.”

39 posted on 11/13/2009 4:25:08 PM PST by kabar
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
[tongue in cheek elsewhere in the news]
Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) told CNSNews.com that the constitutional authority for Congress to give amnesty to aliens is the same that allowed for a Moslem born in Kenya to serve as President of the United States. He also said critics who suggest that either is unconstitutional are making a "spurious argument."

40 posted on 11/13/2009 4:25:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Citizenship to illegals is why obama and the democrats are now worried about ignoring the will of the people on healthcare and cap & trade.


43 posted on 11/13/2009 4:26:26 PM PST by Josa
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Coming in January to a congress near you with cap and trade as the second showing on the double bill. You don’t have to provide health care for illegals. When no one is illegal it will be provided to them automatically.


46 posted on 11/13/2009 4:27:01 PM PST by votemout
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“A tough and fair pathway to earned legal status will mandate that illegal immigrants meet a number of requirements—including registering, paying a fine, passing a criminal background check, fully paying all taxes and learning English,” Napolitano said Friday at a panel discussion at the liberal Center for American Progress in Washington, D.C.

Same old McCain amnesty lite.

48 posted on 11/13/2009 4:30:18 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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Barack Obama sees his election chances going south, so why not create millions of votes for himself and the Democrats.


49 posted on 11/13/2009 4:31:03 PM PST by benjibrowder (For Neda. May God bless those fighting for freedom.)
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Obama, Erick Holder, and the Obama Czars are all Enemy's of the State. Not one of them cares one whit for the nation as it was, only what they can turn it into as they overthrow it.

Treason and Tyranny. Their encroachment into our freedoms and liberties are criminal and totally Unconstitutional. Stop them!

50 posted on 11/13/2009 4:31:19 PM PST by yoe
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To: markomalley; silverleaf; All

Back in 2005, Judicial Watch uncovered a Border Patrol survey, also exposed on Free Republic, conducted by the Bush administration in 2004 to determine what impact amnesty would have on illegal immigration.

Want to take a guess at the outcome? Just the rumor of Bush's amnesty program led to a sharp spike in (additional) illegal immigration. Here are some of the particulars:

  • 45% crossed illegally based on rumors of a Bush administration amnesty.
  • 63% received Mexican government or media information supporting the notion of a Bush administration amnesty.

  • 64% previously entered the United States illegally.
  • 80% desired to apply for amnesty.
  • 66% desired to petition for family members to join them in the U.S.

No wonder the Bush administration aborted the survey before its completion and ordered government officials not to talk about it: "Do not talk about amnesty, increase in apprehensions, or give comparisons of past immigration reform proposals," a White House memo stated.


It will be MUCH more than 14 million — and the trickle will turn into a FLOOD once they hear the rumor of Amnesty THIS time, under Obama ...


51 posted on 11/13/2009 4:35:13 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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I and Theodore Roosevelt have some “issues”, but I do agree with his his famous “immigrant” speech. Seems more appropriate than ever...

“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”


54 posted on 11/13/2009 4:39:54 PM PST by pack29172 (You can learn what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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whelp...the camel just backed his ass into the tent..libs can't do **** right. NOTE the convenience of the POSIC out of the country for several days...and they officially drop this egg.....
All this Stuff hitting the headlines makes me wery wery suspicious... it's like the guy who balances the plates on the end of the sticks.....you don't know which one to watch....does anyone think the Congress and Senate phones will be answered?
58 posted on 11/13/2009 4:43:30 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: markomalley

heck with this. Where is the wall?


59 posted on 11/13/2009 4:43:39 PM PST by plain talk
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To: markomalley

Not a chance this goes anywhere before 2011.


61 posted on 11/13/2009 4:48:34 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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“A tough and fair pathway to earned legal status will mandate that illegal immigrants meet a number of requirements—including registering, paying a fine, passing a criminal background check, fully paying all taxes and learning English,” Napolitano said Friday

She added:

“then the ACLU will sue and we’ll repeal whatever they dont nix, including registering, paying a fine, passing a criminal background check, fully paying all taxes and learning English,”


63 posted on 11/13/2009 4:51:33 PM PST by Crim
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The progressives need a fresh population of ignorant voters. This will all end in bloodshed if the progressives are able to pull this off.


64 posted on 11/13/2009 4:53:13 PM PST by NotSoModerate
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“Think about it: unions will never achieve the best terms for workers when a large part of the workforce is illegal and operates in a shadow economy,”

"And that is the rationale."

What alternate universe are these folks living in? How can they not know that there will ALWAYS be a large illegal workforce that will keep arriving as long as potential amnesty is in the offing.

66 posted on 11/13/2009 4:54:26 PM PST by PuzzledInTX
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“giving legal status to illegal aliens will “strengthen our economy.”

So how is it that giving people who have to learn English strengthening our economy?


67 posted on 11/13/2009 4:54:31 PM PST by babygene
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