Posted on 10/31/2009 7:37:34 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
Actually the holders of the documents will have to produce them, not The Messiah. For example, Hawaii law explicitly provides that the Vital Records be produced upon order of a Court of competent jurisdiction.
I expect that once the healthcare plan fails they will conclude that they need to “primary” and and will have no interest in protecting Obama from his past. ! "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
I expect that the NBC/BC ineligibility movement will have lots of new friends shortly!
He won't be asked or directed to provide squat. The head of the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii will be ordered to produce the documentation, or certified copies thereof, along with an affidavit attesting to it's authenticity.
They can of course object, but they'd best have a very very good reason for doing so, since Hawaii law provides that the department will provide such documents upon an order from a court of competent jurisdiction.
I agree with you. It is going to be a big issue starting in 2009, when people start lining up to run for 2010 elections. Many states will have upped the requirements so as not to be seen as picking on Obama in 2012. This is why I say birthers need an exit strategy for when Obama proves he was born in Hawaii.
parsy, who plans ahead
Thanks. I was thinking I had read that in Carter’s decision. I also think the Defendant’s never filed an Answer, too, but I hate re-reading all the pleadings. Most people don’t understand how utterly this “case” failed at all levels. I actually think there could have been a decent argument for standing, but it wasn’t made, and the real sticking point is subject matter jurisdiction/justiciability. Of course, some marginal teeny-weeny bit of real evidence would have been of help.
parsy, who thinks the long form may come out before 2012, and maybe even before 2010 to help the democrats
No exit is necessary when your position is merely that of demanding honesty, transparency and forthrightness. (Learn the birther position.)
The birther position is to suspect (remember the term “suspicion?”) that Obama was not born in the U.S.—not necessarily to conclude it with 100% certainty—because of his overwhelming pattern of hiding his past. Birthers are simply demanding openness.
If Obama proves he was born in Hawaii, ethical standards and mores of the oval office will demand he explain what took him so long. What you should be saying is that all non-birthers need an entrance strategy so they may join the birthers in demanding rational behavior and moral clarity.
parsy, who’s moving the bar around so much it’s making him dizzy
_____________________________
JB Williams
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
___________________________________
A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.
She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!
She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.
So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded
Please visit Dr. Orly’s website. Don’t be influenced by Obots.
Do what you can to help her.
_____________________________
JB Williams
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
___________________________________
A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.
She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!
She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.
So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded
Please visit Dr. Orly’s website. Don’t be influenced by Obots.
Do what you can to help her.
******
Is one of us confused?
I thought that even if Obama is the only person running in the 2012 Democratic Party primaries in each state, he still has to fill out an official state election application where he certifies/confirms that he is eligible to run for president under the laws of the Constitution of the United States.
In addition, won't Obama---like all presidential candidates--- have to provide certified/legal documentation to election officials in each state that he is eligible to put his name on the Nov. 2012 presidential ballot,such as providing a long form birth certificate?
I'm curious: Are you saying that if Obama is the only Democratic Party presidential candidate in 2012 in each state, the Democratic Party can legally cancel its primaries in each of those states and declare Obama as its presidential candidate?
NOTE: Pelosi: As most of us know, Pelosi signed the Hawaii presidential candidate application where she certified that Obama met the eligibility requirements to run for president as written in the Constitution of the United States.
Myself, I don't think that Pelosi will get a free pass on signing such a document in 2012 without a public outcry for Pelosi to show proof that Obama was eligible to run for President of the United States as written in the Constitution.
The poster was citing the laws regarding PRIMARY challenges, without clarification as to whether it applies in the general election or not.
I am not confused, although I cannot speak to your status. ;-P
Obama had to present such declarations in 2008 - and yet here we are.
I am not confused, although I cannot speak to your status. ;-P
Obama had to present such declarations in 2008 - and yet here we are.
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Do you think that the public and state election officials in each state will demand that Obama present his long form birth certificate in order to prove that he is eligible to run for president, when Obama applies in each state to put his name on the 2012 primary ballot and on the Nov. 2012 presidential ballot?
We must remember this: The public has from 1 to 5 days---it depends on the state---to challenge a presidential candidate's eligibility status after the candidate presents his signed official application form where he declares that he is eligible to run for President of the United States under the laws of the Constitution of the United States.
I believe Carter did find that the candidates "potentially satisfy the injury-in-fact requirement," per Kreep's argument that candidates have "the right to run for office on a fair playing field against only candidates who meet the constitutional requirements to serve as President."
Unfortunately, due to Taitz' failure to file before the inauguration, the remedy -- removal from office -- was beyond the court's power, as well as contradictory to the power granted "solely" to Congress to impeach and remove a President.
The irony is that the only bit of agreement the court found from the plaintiff's case was from an argument by Kreep, whom Orly referred to yesterday on her blog as an "Obama plant."
Do you think that the public and state election officials in each state will demand that Obama present his long form birth certificate in order to prove that he is eligible to run for president, when Obama applies in each state to put his name on the 2012 primary ballot and on the Nov. 2012 presidential ballot?
We must remember this: The public has from 1 to 5 days-—it depends on the state-—to challenge a presidential candidate’s eligibility status after the candidate presents his signed official application form where he declares that he is eligible to run for President of the United States under the laws of the Constitution of the United States.
Funny, I just thought he applied the law.
No. He hired one of Obama’s goons as his law clerk and covered up for the Saudi employee aka the usurper.
Sorry my mistake - I thought you may have actually read Judge Carter’s decision on the motion to dismiss.
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