Posted on 10/28/2009 7:34:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
No, I would say that creation is not true, because there is no evidence. There is a profound difference between the two statements.
Agreed there is a profound difference. Hope you have a wonderful Sunday!
Thanks and hope yours is wonderful, as well!
Well, there's the guy who posted it here, who presumably agrees with the characterization; and I know at least one person here has compared the soft tissue to supermarket steaks; so there's three. But
I am a creationist therefore by default I was accused of lying.
I think it's a common form of speech to refer to a group that way--"conservatives came together in tea parties" doesn't mean every single conservative in the country attended one--and it was just an example of why Schweitzer would feel like her work was hijacked. So I think you're overreacting, but I'll be more careful in the future. I know I bristle when all evos are held responsible for everything Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers say.
Enjoying the discussion, keep it coming!
Me too. There've been a couple of stumbles, but on the whole I think we've managed to keep this surprisingly civil.
So let me ask you: what is your favorite evidence for young-earth, one-time creation? I don't mean things evolution can't explain or even things, like the soft tissue, that YEC offers an alternative explanation for. I mean, is there anything that you think points to YEC as the sole possible reason for?
“think it’s a common form of speech to refer to a group that way.... but I’ll be more careful in the future. I know I bristle when all evos are held responsible for everything Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers say.”
I agree. We all do it. I think however if we disagree with the group that we come from we should point it out.
I wasn’t offended or anything. It is hard to tell this on a forum where you type your comments but I am VERY hard to offend. I was just trying to be witty when I said basically that you didn’t have the correct info about the collagen but I wouldn’t accuse you of lying. I really need to use the ;) more so people know to take it light hearted.
Also someone pointed out to me privately that I had been using capitals alot and they thought I was getting too defensive. I really only use capitals to emphasize what word I want stressed in a sentence. I don’t know how to use HTML. I had studied and practiced it at one time but have forgotten all of it. The one time that I meant to YELL using caps was I think with you when you ended up saying sloppy thinking isn’t any clearer the louder it gets. Good come back by the way.
I think cutting humor has a place in debate. I can take it if you can!
Really the only time I get frustrated in these debates is when I am not coming across clearly and because of that my position gets misrepresented. Then it takes several posts to get it corrected like with the taxonomy issue. UGH!
“So let me ask you: what is your favorite evidence for young-earth, one-time creation?”
I will bttt because I don’t have time to give it a decent answer right now. Today is my littlest daughter’s 3rd birthday so I didn’t get my lesson plans done for the week like I usually do on Sunday afternoons. I will have to do it when the kids are in bed which is usually when I get to do most of my posting on FR. I am a night owl, insomniac is more like it but I have to get that under control because I just promised a friend that I would start going to the gym with her at 6am every morning. I didn’t know that the day had to 6 o’clocks in it before this.;)
Have a great rest of the weekend!
BTTT
So let me ask you: what is your favorite evidence for young-earth, one-time creation? I don’t mean things evolution can’t explain or even things, like the soft tissue, that YEC offers an alternative explanation for. I mean, is there anything that you think points to YEC as the sole possible reason for?
Well, we'll probably get down to it sometime soon enuf. A cogent question WRT the issue would be most helpful. Otherwise I risk ending up talking only to thee and me.... Sigh....
Evolution is only possible with HETEROSEXUAL relationships...
Even an atheist like myself can see that. Trouble is that most "Darwinists" want to ignore that scientific fact because they are nothing more than high priests of "reverse creationism," (or an insular, self-referencial cult of religious faggotry).
...they do seem to reject the fantasy worldview...
Hobbes nailed them to the wall:
Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles
[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other, for which the material body made by art may be said to be the image of the fantastical idol made by nature. (Hobbes, p 444)
Do the words "fairy tale" ring a bell?
These are documented facts, just because you say something that does not change the facts.
Besides you failed to answer the question.
Yes, they are documented "fairy tales". Fairy tale-telling is a hallmark of Darwinism. Like this one ... How the leopard got his spots. And it is a documented fact that leopards have spots.
Again you failed to answer my original question.
You sure are going to a lot of work trying to avoid my original question, I can only assume that is due to the fact that you do not have an answer.
I guess misdirection is all you have when you are not supported by the facts.
I answered it. You just don't like the answer. Tough. And you are going to a lot of work to get another answer to your liking. You're not going to get it. Lucy is fact, that is, a group of fossil bones. And Lucy is a fairy tale, a human ancestor. So were Nebraska man and Piltdown. Fairy tales, the lot of them. That is fact.
There is actual physical evidence for each of those, which is a fact.
Your assertion is just a denial of history….No matter how many times to distort history you cannot change it.
BTW you failed to answer my question since you did not provide any evidence to support your assertion.
No, sh*t Sherlock! I stated that about Lucy. A filmy transparent wing is fact, that doesn't mean there are fairies.
I certainly did provide evidence, three fairy tales, Lucy, Piltdown, and Nebraska man.
It is a fact that Lucy is a 3.2 million year old hominid fossil; it is a fact that Piltdown man was a hoax that was exposed by the scientific community 56 years ago. It is a fact the Nebraska man was a mistake that was corrected by the scientific community 82 years ago. Those are the facts weather you like them or not and this evidence provides absolutely nothing refute the evolutionary theory.
However nice try at the misdirection, and avoidance in the future you might try some actual research rather than regurgitating the same old refuted talking points.
And it is a fact that each of those began as Darwinian fairy tales ---"A fictitious, highly fanciful story or explanation. " You didn't refute a darned thing. There was no misdirection on my part. I explicitly answered your question.
You would have us believe that those explanations were true. They were not true and as fanciful as the present "Ida" hype.
And yes ignoring my request to provide evidence is misdirection.
BULL. A single pig's tooth being turned into a missing relative is most certainly highly fanciful and most assuredly ficticious.
And no, I did not misdirect. I answered your question numerous times. You obstinately refuse to acknowledge it. I will just as obstinately continue to point out that I have answered you.
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