Posted on 10/26/2009 7:51:02 AM PDT by Scythian
So, why continue what the left has begun, rather than fight against it?
What was the real agenda of the thread? Surely it wasn't curiosity. And we wonder why the left’s mantra seems to resonate w/ many! When there's a very vocal minority that advocates eating their own, is there really a wonder why, especially when that minority uses the liberals own playbook?
What do his religious convictions have to do with anything? [Puppage, post #4]
Why bring religion into it? [Da Coyote, post #7]
Personally I don’t care what his religious beliefs are as long as he isn’t an islamderthal head hunter. [Cripplecreek]
I could care less if you worship a Pepsi can as long as you’re a decent, respectable, productive citizen. [PittsburghAfterDark, post #14]
his faith is his faith and his business...I couldn’t care less about his religion [Manc, post #16]
Almost every single religion looks strange and cultish when viewed from the outside, yet, for someone on the inside of said religion, it seems perfectly sane and logical. Viewing things from the inside, one has trouble understanding how people view it differently from the outside. It is all a matter of perspective. [Mnehring, post #19]
But tell me, why does Glenn Beck & all true-believing Mormons (TBMs) get off the hook from so many FReepers re: these following beliefs?
All TBMs believe in Joseph Smith's original vision.
It's the foundation of their faith.
It's been enshrined as Mormon "scripture."
Yet what do verses 18-20 of this founding vision claim?
It claims every other non-Mormon sect has 100% abominable creeds. ("Abomination" means putrid)
It claims every other non-Mormon sect has 100% corrupt professing believers.
It claims every other non-Mormon sect is "wrong."
And later Lds statements from the top down, say Christianity totally became apostates between 100 A.D. and 400 A.D.
Now, for those who defend Beck's beliefs by making an appeal to tolerance and diversity and simply "so what?" -- well, where have you all been? Why haven't we seen or heard of your tolerance messages preached to the Mormon church or to Beck?
When Mormons call the rest of Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox believers "corrupt" in their "Scriptures," why no response to them?
Someone (Scythian) objects to Beck's Book of Mormon belief. You're all over him.
Yet when Mormons call the rest of Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox beliefs/creeds an "abomination" to their god based upon their other "scripture" -- the Pearl of Great Price -- why no response to them?
If Beck is a TBM, he believes that up to 75% of his audience are religious apostates. (Isn't that worthy of a response if you have a non-Mormon faith? -- or are you so weak in your faith that it isn't worth defending?)
If Beck is a TBM, he believes Joseph Smith verses 18-20 in the Pearl of Great Price...which labels ALL of you faith-based folks as "corrupt" and adhering to creedal "abominations."
So you've tolerated Lds' Pearl of Great Price all of your life -- which have been printed into over 100 languages and distributed worldwide -- but if someone dare raises one comment linking Beck to the Book of Mormon on an isolated FR single-language thread, look out. Somehow, your appeals for "tolerance" and "Big Tent conservatism" somehow never seem to be one-directional -- and never aimed at either Salt Lake City or Beck himself. Why not? Why don't you tell the 60,000 Lds missionaries out & about in the world to stop labeling the rest of us "apostates" if your convictions are so true to tolerance?
eh. I just took the overall flavor of the post as:
“Glenn Beck is a Mormon? How can he believe that crazy stuff? How can he put together coherent thoughts?”
Well, when comparing religions, I’d be more accepting of his thoughts and thought process than those of an Islamic fundy.
as you noted, all perspective
Good one.
Because the essence of faith is that is not reasoned, and cannot be proven or disproven. His faith is what it is, and cannot be challenged by reason.
Why bring religion into it? Whatever you might think of the Mormons, they are honest and productive, and don’t go around shouting “jihad” every second. You wanna pick on an idiot religion, try Islam - who’s principal prophet would be jailed for child molestation were he to be in this country
Hear Hear
So is America
For me, I don’t understand how Beck can believe despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary ...
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/98708079-2645-4665-92E0-A7A596AEB263/
This was the basis of my question? So far I have been skeward, there are things more important that the future of the United States, I know that might be shocking for some to consider. God can cause any other nation to rise up and take our place in a heart beat, He doesn’t need us.
Somethings can BE KNOWN TO BE FALSE, watch the video above, and tell me I’m wrong ...
Most Mormons (at least here in America) are born into it. He probably has taken a critical view of his own religion at one time or another. For him to leave his religion basically means rejection or scorn from his family.
Another thought, maybe he is a born again Christian but decided to stay in the Mormon church for family’s sake. It’s not unheard of.
McCue is a good man. I agree with what he said here:
“This led me to Mormon history as the professional historians write it - incredibly, at age 45 with three university degrees, a new genre for me. I quickly realized that I had been misled as to how Mormonism started, and hence what it was. I saw a pattern of Mormon leadership deception going back to Mormonism’s beginnings with Joseph Smith, and was physically ill for months as I adjusted to this reality.
The suppressed aspects of Mormon history that most troubled me indicated many instances in which Mormon leaders deceived their followers and the public about important matters. Joseph Smith was the worst in this regard. His tendency to deceive when in a tight spot bears a striking resemblance to the habits of shady stock promoters I have met in my legal practice.
I was particularly distressed by Smith’s practice of using his authority as a religious leader to persuade women, including many who were married as well as young teenagers, to have sex with him. Smith denied the rumours that swirled around him in this regard for well over a decade, and indicated that God instructed him to lie because the people were not ready to hear the “truth” – that polygamy was God’s eternal law and that all who wished salvation must obey it.”
How to bring down Glenn Beck, by BHO & deadfish mmmm mmmm mmmm
....All the while knowing that Beck, if he has been married or "sealed" to his wife in the LDS temple, has taken this oath: "
You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion."
From his own accounts, Beck had a rough childhood.
Who cares what his religion is? He is informative and I like when he eats pudding. So who cares?
What do you mean "until then"??? (Read post #222)
Simply put: Most Lds are tithers. Lds takes this 10% and pays for...
...(a) The Pearl of Great Price to be translated into over 100 different languages and distributed worldwide. Beck & other Lds fuel religious slander on a worldwide basis, labeling the rest of us as "apostates" and 100% creedally abominable and 100% corrupt as professing believers of our faith. Beck would have to reject the very foundational vision of the Mormon church to disagree with those tenets!
...(b) mission president expenses & stipends -- along with those who train them. They send out 60,000 missionaries who convey that the rest of us are 100% apostates of apostate denominations, church bodies, and the like.
Challenge to all of you: Get up to speed on what Mormonism teaches about their "fellow religionists" in their very "scriptures." Read Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith, verses 18-20.
Until then, don't give me any more "until thens" minus that knowledge.
Wrong. Beck is a convert to the religion.
Every member a missionary - even Glenn Beck.
Of course you and I and Binger know that from the inside out. True Believing Mormons might deny it, non-members probably won’t believe it. But we know that Mormons use their every opportunity as a missionary opportunity. Watch Beck closely - you’ll see it in action.
I’m a “Wet Drunk”! You should have been with me Saturday night.
I am NOT defending them, I could care LESS about them. All I am saying is that they don't matter one way or the other when commenting on the issues of the day.
If he starts espousing his religious views into those very same issues, THEN we have something to talk about.
Should we take into account your religious views when reading what you're posting?
Seriously, I am just asking.
You'd be "productive," too if you were auditioning for godhood. (That's not very "honest" with yourself, though -- thinking you can become a god one day).
“My name is Binger, and I don’t go to meetings...” ;)
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