How Turkey Was Lost

Townhall.com ^ | 10/19/09 | Caroline Glick

[Nuc1]

Sorry that Turkey is starting to look out for itself now that you have created a de facto country in northern iraq and are protecting terrorists there.

You guys have a lot of history with those "terrorists" in northern Iraq. After what, almost 100 years the vendetta against the Kurds continues. I wish for all countries to live in peace. But hatred continues. Further living in peace is not possible with Islam. As far as looking out for yourself, I don't think Turkey is doing very well. I am sorry that the people of Turkey have decided to give up their freedom for the rule of Mullahs. I think freedom and reason are more important than the minor emotional exultation that comes from embracing hate and evil. But thats just me.

Turkey is becoming credible in its neighborhood, and yes, it is creating free trade zones with all countries to its north, east and south.

Why is Turkey just now becoming credible in its "neighborhood"? Turkey has had a significant history on the world stage and is powerful modern nation that dominates the area. I just don't get that comment. Regardless, being a powerful modern state won't last under Islamic rule. Hope those countries you will open trade with have something to trade for. IMHO they mostly export misery and death.

Your stupid status quo with Iran sucks. Your policies in the middle east suck. We’ll get your shit together for you.

I agree that our policies in the middle east suck. Though we may have different ideas about how to correct them. If you folks took care of Iran for us that would be great. The folks in DC will not do it and I think they will do everything in their power to stop you. DC has become quite a nest of vipers. Perhaps it has always been so, but there was a time when America could be counted upon and stood with her allies and I believe that time will come again. I will do what I can to make it so.

[a_Turk]

One scenario is that radicalizing Turkey will cause war and a return to the wilsonian map, this is a paraniod view from the Turkish secularists.

Another scenario is distancing Turkey from Israel to give it credibility to bring Iran back into the fold. Fighting Iran essentially for nationalizing her oil may be getting old.

Another scenario is that the US has her head up her ass.

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In 1998 Gülen emigrated to the United States, ostensibly for health problems (he suffers from diabetes) but arguably in anticipation of being tried over remarks which seemed to favor an Islamic state. He was filmed as urging followers to "work patiently and to creep silently into the institutions in order to seize power in the state." Gülen complained that the remarks were taken out of context, and questions were raised about the authenticity of the tape, which he accused of having been "manipulated." Gülen was tried in absentia in 2000, and acquitted in 2006. The Supreme Court of Appeals later rejected an appeal by the Chief Prosecutor's Office.

[Will88]

We’d be fools to let the Turks into Europe you fool.

I never mentioned letting the Turks into the EU. Why is that addressed to me? Learn to read.

[TopQuark]

Very interesting. Thanks.

[a_Turk]

>> Gülen was tried in absentia in 2000

This while he was holed up in the USA. We have extradition treaties. What do you think that was about?

[TopQuark]

"We have extradition treaties. What do you think that was about?"

Really, really puzzling. I begin to understand better why you suspect what you do. I'll keep in mind the info you provided and watch the developments more closely.

[a_Turk]

Well, I thank you for pinging me to this spot.

[a_Turk]

Being conservative can be good. Being foolish is, well, stupid...

[plenipotentiary]

Turkey is positioning itself to be on the losing side in the next World War.

[a_Turk]

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[TopQuark]

Thanks for the ping, but I think she is really stretching here. Where does she see the Turkish empire? She certainly failed -— in fact, has not tried -— to make her argument.

[a_Turk]

Free trade agreements, industrial zones, etc. It is a stretch, but what it means is that people are trying to make sense of the situation as it’s evolving.