Posted on 10/19/2009 7:41:42 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Well said indeed! CO
The author has clearly not thought through potential political, economic, media, and tactical minefields for Washington politicians under these various scenarios.
Thank you CO.
Funny that you should be using the wars of Israel and Judah as an example of war’s virtue. All those wars were the consequence of the Jews being disobedient to God’s plain teaching that they were not to have a king like the heathen nations around them, and that having a king would mean their children would be taken away from them to to be the King’s servants and soldiers in the king’s wars—a curse, not a blessing; but the Israelites insisted on a king, and Samuel was directed to give them one. So all those wars were meant by God as a curse for their disobedience, and like the Israelites, you think they are some kind of glory. Israel and Judah were constantly at war, not only with other nations, but with each other. You think that’s a blessing?
(I Samuel 8)
If war is so lovely, why is it always peace that is described as the blessing of God, e.g. “The Lord will give strength unto his people; the Lord will bless his people with peace.” ps. 29:11.
Wish Christians would read their Bibles.
Hank
I regard war as an evil thing. No good has ever come from any war. That does not mean that things might not have been worse if the war was not fought, only that things would definitely have been better if there had been no war.
In those statements I see, most generously, incompatibility and, least generous, contradiction.
However, the reason your argument is fatally flawed is that you would be assisting Obama with your plan. Until everyone grasps that the goal of this administration is to destroy this country and then have them rebuild it on the ashes with their remaining in power for perpetuity, they will continually fall for the misdirection and sleight of hand employed by these Communists.
Are you tired of seventy plus years of Unintended Consequences? Aren't you beginning to see that those disastrous consequences were intended after all? Look at every policy of this administration. What is the likely outcome? Disaster, right!! Unintended? Naiveté? No! It is well planned and definitely intended!
Why help them with your plan? They are itching for a reason to declare martial law as it is.
I understand what you saying, and am very much aware of what the agenda of the left has been and is since Gramsci so articulately stated what the plan was, and the fellows of the Frankfurt school infiltrated our Universities and the media and so successfully corrupted American institutions.
But there is something the Doctors get, you and most others do not. The whole thing has been and continues to be put over with a lie and a huge theft. The lie is that the government can provide people something, anything, like healthcare. But the government cannot provide anything. All it can do is steal what other’s produce and redistribute it.
But healthcare is not something they can directly steal. The government promises to deliver health-care, but the Doctors know the government cannot deliver anything, and certainly cannot deliver health-care without them. So they are going to quit, and how will Obama-n-company deliver health care then.
But this is true all the way up and down the line. Everything the government promises to deliver is actually divered by all the stupid producers who are handing it to the government or providing it for them. If the produces stop producing, how will the government deliver the things they promise to buy their votes then?
Go read the quote by Adams someone posted:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2365718/posts?page=7#7
America is not the government, not it’s institutions, not its traditions, it is all the self-reliant self-sufficient independent individuals who produce and make the country what it is. They are the only ones that deserve freedom or can achieve it. All the others have sold themselves out to government slavery. We should we producers support them?
We do not agree, but I appreciate the comment.
Hank
Just curious. Would you be diappointed if a producer’s strike did produce a real revolution?
If it didn’t work, you could still resort to blood.
Hank
Why did WW1 need to be fought? Why should the USA have entered it in particular? Why did we care who ended up on top in the endless European top of the heap contest?
Why did the Civil War need to be fought? Could not the South have been allowed to evolve their way out of slavery. Slavery was abolished in every other Western nation in the 19th century, no one else needed to have a million dead to accomplish it. Could not FedGov have bought all slaves and freed them for far less money than the war cost. Was this even considered?
You have no idea the risks you have taken. (I’m exaggerating, only a little.) There are some things that are merely accepted, and no one can question them without their sanity being questioned—like the sanity of those who dared to question the geocentric theory of the universe, at one time.
Some of those accpted ideas one is not allowed to question are the necessity and virtue of war, the necessity of government, and in these days, the necessity of education, and in most universities, the certainty of evolution.
On the latter, even if you do not believe in God, as I do not, if you question evolution you are automatically branded anti-science and “a creationist,” both of which in my case are absurd.
One accepted view, never to be questioned, is that US participation in World War I was both necessry and good. Why it was necessary and for whom it was good must also never be asked, because it certainly wasn’t good for all those young men who were killed or had their lives ruined, especially if they were gassed. The US certainly could have defended itself if necessary, but it would probably not have been necessary.
As for the civil war, it is not so commonly accepted that war was necessary. In fact, it was a terribly wrong war, and had nothing to do with freeing the slaves, which would have been freed anyway. It is ironic that when the south seceded it was almost a carbon copy of the American revolution—people who wanted to get out from under the thumb of an oppressive government. They should have been allowed to secede. The civil war was a crime, a violation of all the principles that were supposedly the basis of the American revolution.
We are both going to hear about this. Hope it doesn’t bother you, I rather enjoy seeing the unthinking lose control of themselves.
Hank
First off, Atlas isn’t going to shurg. What most producers are at the level you refer to are corporate fascists. NAZI Germany was full of them.
Second, if any did as you suggest the fascists would just take over their companiews for the good of the people/state.
There is IMHO no way this doesn’t end up really bad. The fascists are already targeting conservatives as evil, vile, murdering, rascists. We will need to defend ourselves in case you haven’t noticed the increase in viloence towards conservatives.
“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve of obtain their liberty, deserves the tyrants that rule them.” Thomas Jefferson.
We are already be ruled by tyrants.
“Where Justice ends tyranny begins.” and “Repression breeds violence”
There is no justice and we are in fact under the rule of tyranny.
“First off, Atlas isn’t going to shurg. “
Perhaps you did not read the article carefully. This is not an “Atlas” type shrug, but and expansion of what the Doctors are already planning to do—simply stopping long enough to make the lack of their production recognized, because it will hurt.
There will be nothing to take over. Nobody is going to giver up their businesses, just take an extended holiday.
As far as targeting “conservatives,” they are the ones that contributed to or allowed all these leftist policies to come about. No one is interested in saving conservatives, especially conservative politicians. Only interested in protecting the freedom of productive independent self-competent individuals.
There is no unwillingness to use extreme violent force, here, but riots do not a revolution make.
“There is no justice and we are in fact under the rule of tyranny.”
True enough. Why keep supporting them?
Hank
Hey sorry Hank, I read my Bible every day without fail. All Scripture is given for our examplem it actually says, ensample. As Christians we are now grafted in Jews. We are God’s people too. And if we obey God’s Word we are blessed and if not, we are cursed.
There were times HE sent them into battle because “I will be with you”. When a nation’s sins become so great and that nation kicks God out, because he’s a gentleman he leaves BUT HE takes all of His Blessings and Protection with Him. Also, let’s not forget the position that Obama ha put the America in when it comes to standing with Isreal. He is totally against Isreal, has shown her no support whatsoever. “I will Bless those that Bless You (Isreal) and I will curse those that curse you (Isreal). Fighting to get rid of evil and evil leaders to be replaced with righteousness is not wrong.!! Respectfully, CO
My frind, I studied the Bible for years, have read it in both Greek (NT), and (haltingly), Hebrew, and have studied most of the thologians, from the early church Fathers to Finney.
I am not a pacifist, and am surprised a Christian (perhaps not) so loosely accuses people of things without evidence.
I do not really care what you think, but just want to make it clear I’m not opposed to necessary war, but regard a love of war tantamount to a love of wholesale murder, which is what it is.
Hank
Thank you for your courteous reply, and I appreciate your making your position clear.
I really was not directing my remark at any individual, so I’ll apologize for making it. (But you know that most who call themselves Christians have not read the Bible through even once.)
I do not agree, by the way, that the country created by Harry Truman and the UN that now goes by the name Israel, is the Biblical Israel. I feel very sorry for the Jews who live there, and wish they had chosen to come to America instead to being bilked into moving to that man-made disaster.
I’m almost alone in that view—as I am in almost all my views. I have made the “mistake” all my life of thinking for myself.
Hank
“That does not mean that things might not have been worse if the war was not fought, only that things would definitely have been better if there had been no war.”
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I wonder what the above sentence was supposed to have meant. As written it appears totally contradictory.
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